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#465775 - 12/10/11 10:48 AM Answering back to Rape
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This might belong in the Science and Technology forum too but I thought it was an excellent invention for anyone caught in a rape situation. dick trap
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#465805 - 12/10/11 05:15 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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Outstanding!

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#465807 - 12/10/11 05:28 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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It's an idea that sounds appealing at first, but the reality is it could make it worse.

What's to prevent a rapist from sodomizing someone, or, in the event he gets his penis shredded, then beating his victim to death in revenge, or even raping her with another object?

It would actually create more violence and issues than one could imagine. Show me one of those things that injects a tranquilizer so that she can flee (maybe steal his wallet to find him afterwards) and I will call it a genius idea.

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#465814 - 12/10/11 07:06 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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Totally useless in my opinion.

It won't stop the rape, because it only works once penetration has happened (and by that time, the victim has been already beaten half to death) and then, it only serves to enrage the attacker. So rape most probably will turn into murder.

Also, once voice of this device spreads out, all rapists will start "testing ground" with a stick or some other object before inserting their penis, which will only make all rapes more violent and traumatizing, whether the device is used or not.

Another thing. In a place like Africa, where AIDS is so widespread, a device that makes the attacker bleed inside you is not exactly a good idea.

So my recommendation is to buy a gun, ladies! It's faster, more effective and you don't have to stick it inside your privates to work.




Edited by Old_Pig (12/10/11 07:09 PM)
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#465816 - 12/10/11 07:38 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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I just thought the idea was unique. I can't defend how well the product will work since I don't work with rape victims or criminals. We can all speculate how this will or will not work but I think the best answer will come once they get used a few times.
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#465817 - 12/10/11 07:44 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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Useless. The vast majority of rape is committed by someone the victim knows and trusts.
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#465825 - 12/10/11 10:03 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Zaftig]
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Quote:
Show me one of those things that injects a tranquilizer so that she can flee (maybe steal his wallet to find him afterwards) and I will call it a genius idea.


Here's a better suggestion than a tranquilizer gun:



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Edited by LordofDarkness (12/10/11 10:15 PM)
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#465836 - 12/11/11 06:28 AM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Zaftig]
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Originally Posted By: Zaftig
It's an idea that sounds appealing at first, but the reality is it could make it worse.

What's to prevent a rapist from sodomizing someone, or, in the event he gets his penis shredded, then beating his victim to death in revenge, or even raping her with another object?

It would actually create more violence and issues than one could imagine. Show me one of those things that injects a tranquilizer so that she can flee (maybe steal his wallet to find him afterwards) and I will call it a genius idea.


I had a book on self defence given out by retired police officers here in sweden. They had statistics over rape victims, showing that most rape victims tend to "freeze up" and not do any resistance. In the few cases where the rape victim did try to fight back it ususally shocked the rapist so much that the rapist would abort the rape. Also rape victims who fought back also usually recovered much faster psychologically.

Also, what is preventing a rapist from beating up his or her victim even if he does not fight back? If you're being assaulted in any way you should always fight back, there is no guarantee that the assaulter will not harm you just because you don't fight back.
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#465931 - 12/12/11 10:23 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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I heard about this quite a while back.

I still approve! I hope the wound gets infected, too!
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#465932 - 12/12/11 10:27 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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Let me give a little insight about us gents. When something is causing us great pain "down there", our first reaction is not to fight, but to make our "little buddy" stop hurting. That area has so many nerve endings, that device will cause pain in the amounts that the lady will have plenty of time to slip away to safety. He's gonna be too busy trying to get the damn thing off his tallywhacker!
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#466105 - 12/14/11 07:27 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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I have to agree, Citizen Jonesy. If every move made it hurt more and clamp harder, I would think they would be scrambling around looking for a Dremel tool instead of exacting revenge.
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#466117 - 12/14/11 10:33 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Citizen Jonesy]
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I agree with this statement.

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#466119 - 12/14/11 10:45 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Citizen Jonesy]
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This device was designed for women at risk of rape in South Africa, which usually involves gangs of teenagers in areas with zero police presence.

Once rapist A has been taken out, what do you think his buddies are going to do?

It is a very bad idea, although well intentioned.
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#466121 - 12/14/11 10:50 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Quaark]
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Originally Posted By: Daark
This device was designed for women at risk of rape in South Africa, which usually involves gangs of teenagers in areas with zero police presence.

Once rapist A has been taken out, what do you think his buddies are going to do?

It is a very bad idea, although well intentioned.


I suppose this is true. There will probably be some women injured or killed over using the device.

But if I were the one being raped and had to endure the wrath of serveral men stomping me to death after a rape attempt, I'd die happily knowing I took one of them out of the rape game.

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#466122 - 12/14/11 10:54 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: CWH]
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Originally Posted By: CWH
But if I were the one being raped and had to endure the wrath of serveral men stomping me to death after a rape attempt, I'd die happily knowing I took one of them out of the rape game.


That's the thing, you'd die. Dying = Bad. And those men can recover. This device only even works after the rape begins. It works during rape, not to prevent it. A better anti-rape device was engineered in China, centuries ago. It even has modern equivalents:



It can deal with more than one rape gang member, it can be reused, it avoids close contact, AND for extra comfort you can keep it in a holster rather than a vagina. This last bonus also doubles the market.
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#466123 - 12/14/11 10:59 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Delta]
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I agree with both sides. It's good to know you fucked up the rapist but it's even better to shoot them all and run like hell.
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#466124 - 12/14/11 11:07 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Hagen von Tronje]
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Agreed.

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#466142 - 12/15/11 07:06 AM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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It seems like the closer you get to the equator the more viscous nature is, there are bugs that can kill you, giant reptiles that can swallow you whole, and now the rubbers even have teeth!

All kidding aside, when these hit the U.S. I wonder how many revenge cases we hear of women "getting even" like the Bobbit case.
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#466205 - 12/16/11 08:30 AM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Quaark]
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Originally Posted By: Daark
This device was designed for women at risk of rape in South Africa, which usually involves gangs of teenagers in areas with zero police presence.

Once rapist A has been taken out, what do you think his buddies are going to do?

It is a very bad idea, although well intentioned.


Once again. What's stopping them from doing anything even if you haven't taken out rapist A?

This makes me think of satanic sin #3.
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#468546 - 01/25/12 12:11 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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There was an issue of Not Like Most that had several copyright diagrams of another version of this thing that had a spring-loaded needle that jammed into the rapist's dick.

As has already been said, while interesting it would probably just cause more deaths and STD infections but I like the theory behind it.
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#468552 - 01/25/12 02:44 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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I do agree in part. There is no way to prevent all circumstances, but it is progress nonetheless. But the real problem, like you stated, is the lack of their government giving a shit. Until they do start enforcing their laws (or someone imposes law enforcement on them), it will not end.
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#468628 - 01/27/12 07:43 AM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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Call me a cynic... but doesn't that, uh, thing deserve a favourable mentioning in this list?
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#468637 - 01/27/12 01:45 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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I also agree with a part of both opinions but the first thing that came to my mind when I read about it was what would happen if a guy's girlfriend gets mad at him or just gets crazy one day - this could hurt not only rapists but innocent men as well. Makes me think it's dangerous in that way. Plus, how a girl knows it would be exactly here and tonight someone would try and rape her - would they wear this thing constantly... or even forget to take it off before going in bed with the husband? smile
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#468656 - 01/27/12 10:33 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: XUL]
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Originally Posted By: XUL
Call me a cynic... but doesn't that, uh, thing deserve a favourable mentioning in this list?


Myself being a realist. Anyone that thinks that buying any of those things to defend yourself in California forget it. You would more likely spend more time in prison for owning such things than anyone that attacks you. There are things perfectly legal to own in Mexico that are a felony to own in California that anyone can buy on revolution avenue in Tijuana.

Much of the time here the laws are to protect the criminal element from the general public. That is because the fools here elect people that believe that it is more of a crime to harm a criminal in the act, than for someone to protect themselves and their family.
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#468661 - 01/27/12 11:36 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: Pablovilla]
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Dear paul_r,

I kinda like your signature - it made me think smile
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result - Ben Franklin"

So, this would certainly mean that as an artist I'm insane. For example, everyday during the last two weeks I've tried to paint a human knee joint properly 'cause right now I'm in the process of studying human anatomy and trying to incorporate that knowledge in my drawing experience. The first time the result wasn't to my satisfaction, that's why I kept on doing it over and over again with the expectation that each time it would be better - and guess what? It was getting better and better with each try smile So, I by all means don't mean to be offensive towards what Mr. Franklin said, but my conclusion would be that after all what he would refer to as "insanity" is not a bad thing at all. smile
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#468662 - 01/27/12 11:41 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: JDBones]
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To clarify, what Franklin was referring to is doing the same thing over and over without variation.

In other words, tossing a coin in a bucket of water over and over, and expecting it to float at some point.

While you may have been drawing over and over, you incorporated changes into your technique, achieving a better result, therefore, you were not doing the exact same thing over and over.
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#468669 - 01/28/12 04:16 AM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: JDBones]
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The process you described here is progress. You learn from your mistakes - previous tries - and add a bit more of the wisdom(experience) gained during painting over and over to the following try, which can appear to be the final one, for you achieved your goal. With other words - see here evolution.

The insanity mentioned by Franklin is the one based on the false belief that "this time it's gonna be different", while no efforts are made to condition this difference.

To be honest, I wouldn't call this insanity. This is Stupidity and Self-deceit. Insanity can be a great source of inspiration and something named insane by many can simply appear to distinguish from what is expected and counted normal at the historical point.

I heard people saying Salvador Dali was insane just because they do not have enough intelligence to understand his art. Hell, some simple-minded folks called me insane, because I "deal with those strange and devilish things". If being insane means being different from the zombie-mass walking the streets, I say - Let us all be insane and enjoy it!


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#468703 - 01/28/12 05:09 PM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: StabAvery]
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I guess you both guys make a point. Anyway... maybe we're deviating from the main topic here, but what One Man Army said made me think of the fact that people often call me "insane" as well - most of them say it in a positive way (but they still mean it) and I'm kinda flattered because what they actually want to say is "he's different in a way that we like".

But it is also often when people who don't know me well disapprove of my behavior and/or principles - most of them can't accept the fact that I would state my position so straight forward. They kinda consider it an insult to their beliefs and personality when someone would say what they think in a direct way without trying to make it sound what they would call "softer". But again, it's their problem and I guess we're talking about "stupid" people (which is 90% of the population on the planet), so maybe they don't even deserve being mentioned any more? smile
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#468756 - 01/29/12 05:19 AM Re: Answering back to Rape [Re: JDBones]
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Originally Posted By: JDBones
They kinda consider it an insult to their beliefs and personality when someone would say what they think in a direct way without trying to make it sound what they would call "softer".


Exactly, this is typical for most of the 'common' religions - "Who thinks different from us, thinks against us." Everything a Christian cannot understand from a Christian point of view comes from the Devil to mislead him and test his faith. That is the main idea.

But, when I come across such situations, I still make their beliefs work against them: if the Devil tests your faith and makes you believe in your lord even more, then the Devil actually provides you his services - without charges! This brings to the idea, that one should be thankful to the Devil for 'making the faith stronger', which leads to doubts. And doubts are thoughts that provoke disbelief. I had my doubts about God, when I was a Christian, and they brought me to atheism and Satanism.

Originally Posted By: JDBones
But again, it's their problem and I guess we're talking about "stupid" people (which is 90% of the population on the planet), so maybe they don't even deserve being mentioned any more? smile


Which is 99% of the planet. The number of intelligent individuals remains almost the same throughout the history, but the global population is growing.
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