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#473526 - 04/24/12 03:09 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Unknown]
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Christianity is not as excuse to cry victim.

The true victims are those children molested by priests.


Yes indeed!

While discussing gays, there is another aspect to xian child abuse which has not yet been widely publicized except in the Netherlands. In church-run orphanages, boys suspected of homosexual inclinations were surgically castrated. No estimation of numbers yet.
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#473544 - 04/24/12 12:43 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: MagdaGraham]
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While discussing gays, there is another aspect to xian child abuse which has not yet been widely publicized except in the Netherlands. In church-run orphanages, boys suspected of homosexual inclinations were surgically castrated. No estimation of numbers yet.


Hello Priestess. I did a google search for this but the only thing I got was Dutch Roman Church Castrated Boys. This shows it happened in the past. Can you supply a source for this currently happening please?


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#473545 - 04/24/12 01:43 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Unknown]
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This shows it happened in the past. Can you supply a source for this currently happening please?


Currently established cases happened in the 1950s and 1960s. Is that the past? The boys, if they survived, would now be in their fifties, sixties, seventies. They lived with their mutilations. What sort of compensation could they claim? They have no family to whom they can leave their money.
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#473546 - 04/24/12 01:48 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: MagdaGraham]
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The boys, if they survived, would now be in their fifties, sixties, seventies. They lived with their mutilations.


Good point. But I thought you were speaking of 2012 this was still going on? My misunderstanding.
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#473547 - 04/24/12 01:55 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Unknown]
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We don’t yet know if it is still happening.
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#473548 - 04/24/12 02:01 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: MagdaGraham]
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Originally Posted By: MagdaGraham
We don’t yet know if it is still happening.



to the question which unknown made I would say that one of the worst cases was in Belgium, where there was systematic child abuse inside the catholic Church. here is one article from newspaper called the Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/sep/10/belgium-child-abuse-catholic-church
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#473570 - 04/25/12 01:04 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Nufan]
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I know they are born not made. But even so, not everyone who was a Satanist would have always considered themselves so. At one point some people may have considered themselves Christian, atheist, or some other religion.

True...

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Even the Magus Gilmore said he used to be atheist.

Bad example. Magus Gilmore still is an atheist, as are all Satanists. Remember that atheism my definition means nothing more than not having a belief in the existence of any deities.

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Here's another quote. This is from the british punk band called Crass:
'Jesus died for his own sins, not mine!'

I think my favorite quote on that topic is from Doug Stanhope. "They say he died for your sins. Well, how does one relate to the other? It's like 'I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for your mortgage'." Or from Jhuger.com, "Why did God sacrifice himself to himself, to correct a mistake he made himself?"
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#473573 - 04/25/12 03:46 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Bill_M]
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I like the last one. I guess one's should be God to know answer to that one.. wink
Thank's Reverend for sharing it with us!

I could also describe myself with the term atheist, though I am Satanist. It seems to me that the idea of Satanist who believes to some higher entity is one very common misconcept with the non-Satanists who automatically assume that religion means fate to something outside yourself.. smile


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#473577 - 04/25/12 04:57 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: MagdaGraham]
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Originally Posted By: MagdaGraham
We don’t yet know if it is still happening.


I lived in the Netherlands for about 6 years in the period of 2001-2007 by reason of my study, and I still remember seeing several times such cases reaching the news. You can be pretty sure it is still happening and not a damn preacher bears responsibility for his disgusting deeds.

As far as my memory goes, the Dutch Catholic Church "offered an apology" for the deeds of its representatives.

And they teach others about Right and Wrong...
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#473578 - 04/25/12 05:07 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Janina]
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I would say that one of the worst cases was in Belgium


In my twenty-plus years of campaigning to debunk the SRAM [Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth], no one has ever considered which could be judged the worst. The millions of children abused, beaten, raped, mutilated, kept in slavery for years, forced to believe in their own worthlessness, sinking into alcohol, drug abuse, suicide – all by the christian church. Every one case is the worst one to that child victim.
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#473582 - 04/25/12 07:20 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Unknown]
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I think the fight for acceptance is stupid.


And I would bet a dollar to a doughnut that the more intelligent who deal with this issue would agree with you. The issue is more about this: http://gaylife.about.com/od/samesexmarriage/a/benefits.htm.
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#473583 - 04/25/12 07:49 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: MagdaGraham]
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Originally Posted By: MagdaGraham
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I would say that one of the worst cases was in Belgium


In my twenty-plus years of campaigning to debunk the SRAM [Satanic Ritual Abuse Myth], no one has ever considered which could be judged the worst. The millions of children abused, beaten, raped, mutilated, kept in slavery for years, forced to believe in their own worthlessness, sinking into alcohol, drug abuse, suicide – all by the christian church. Every one case is the worst one to that child victim.



You are right Priestess MagdaGraham.

I apologise if it sounded like I would put cases to more or less serious ones. That was not my intent!

Priest of Christian Church should be "holy man" shepherd of his herd, so the truth that they can´t even be better than most of lay followers is very shocking thing!


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#473587 - 04/25/12 08:18 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Janina]
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You certainly have nothing to apologise for. I just don’t feel any case should be designated the worst. Every one of the assaults damaged people; some survived, many did not.

And the cases keep coming. Every day. http://www.bishop-accountability.org/AbuseTracker/ A few days ago, Australian government decided to launch an enquiry into 40 suicides – I expect they’ll find a lot more.
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#473604 - 04/25/12 03:39 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: MagdaGraham]
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Originally Posted By: MagdaGraham
You certainly have nothing to apologise for. I just don’t feel any case should be designated the worst. Every one of the assaults damaged people; some survived, many did not


I agree with you here. We should not call some case worst cause it would sound that other cases are not so bad. The truth of course is that this kind of acts are very serious anytime, and when the attacker is priest whom should be the trustworty holy father it makes it even more serious. It also reveals that Christian Priests do not believe in the moral they are teaching to others. That is very hypocritical, and tells that their teachings are actually just empty words with no essence!
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#473690 - 04/26/12 03:44 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Roho_the_Rooster]
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If they accomplish that then more power to them!
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