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#473731 - 04/27/12 09:11 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Unknown]
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#473989 - 05/01/12 08:13 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Janina]
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Hmm. I found it interesting that a man standing on a street corner had a sign with a quote telling people to read Romans 1:1-32 to prove that homosexuality is wrong in the bible. Had he read Romans 2:1 he wouldn't be on that street corner. Just goes to show people preach what they themselves don't understand. Oh well.

A lot of people in society just do what they are told. They will vote for what their parents, religious leaders, and friends tell them to vote for. It seems more and more that people choose not to learn about... well... anything.

I live in North Carolina. On May 8th we are voting on Amendment 1.

(yes I know, I know it's a crappy source but it is the only website I quickly found that actually states the amendment and is not just a bunch of ads saying to vote for or against it)

This amendment would not only outlaw gay marriage, but any domestic union that is not marriage. That would include me and my boyfriend; we live together. So I have a personal agenda with this amendment.

But if two people want to get married, who cares? If they are not a good match, are doing a contract marriage, are just horny, or whatever other reason they may have, that's their problem. It's also up to them to deal with the consequences if their relationship falls apart.

I asked a preacher why he thought gay marriage in specific was a threat to traditional marriage. He responded that it was unnatural and against the will of God.

The God remark was to be expected. (I will note that he threw it in as an after thought which I thought was amusing.)

But the unnatural part...

The only 'unnatural' thing about homosexuality is that you cannot make offspring. Personally I think there are too many people on this planet to begin with. Sexuality is just that. Sexuality. I don't see being attracted to the same sex any different than I see someone having a fetish. What you do in the sac and who you do it with doesn't concern me or anyone else really.

As far as it being a threat to traditional marriage... what the hell is so traditional about marriage now a days when half of them end in divorce? Why is this country so damn hung up on everything being traditional? I personally think it is because people are afraid of change and afraid of the unknown.
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#474427 - 05/09/12 03:24 PM Obama says same-sex couples should be able to marry [Re: aprilskies9]
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Obama says same-sex couples should be able to marry

US President Barack Obama has ended months of equivocation on the issue of gay marriage by saying he thinks same-sex couples should be able to wed.

He told ABC News: "It is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."

Mr Obama has become the first US president to back gay marriage.

In recent days, Vice-President Joe Biden and cabinet member Arne Duncan had expressed support for gay unions.

The interview with ABC News' Robin Roberts was apparently hastily arranged as Mr Obama came under mounting pressure to clarify his position on the issue.

During the ABC interview, which airs later on Wednesday, Mr Obama pointed to his administration's commitment to increasing rights for gay citizens.

He cited the repeal of the military's 'don't ask, don't tell' policy and said his administration had dropped support for the Defense of Marriage Act.
'Powerful traditions'

"I've stood on the side of broader equality for the LGBT community. I hesitated on gay marriage in part because I thought civil unions would be sufficient," Mr Obama said.

He added: "I was sensitive to the fact that for a lot of people, the word 'marriage' was something that evokes very powerful traditions, religious beliefs and so forth.

"But I have to tell you that over the course of several years as I talked to friends and family and neighbours, when I think about members of my own staff who are in incredibly committed monogamous relationships, same-sex relationships, who are raising kids together, when I think about those soldiers or airmen or marines or sailors who are out there fighting on my behalf and yet feel constrained, even now that 'don't ask don't tell' is gone, because they are not able to commit themselves in a marriage," Obama said.

"At a certain point, I've just concluded that for me personally it is important for me to go ahead and affirm that I think same-sex couples should be able to get married."

In 2010, Mr Obama said his views on the issue were "evolving", a stance that had frustrated gay rights supporters and donors.

His comments came a day after North Carolina approved a constitutional amendment effectively banning same-sex marriage or civil unions.

Before that vote, the Obama campaign had opposed the measure, which was passed with 61% in favour and 39% against.

While Mr Obama is the first US president to support gay marriage, correspondents said the president's views on gay marriage were likely to upset some voters.

Some African-American voters oppose same-sex marriage on religious grounds.

Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate who is all but certain to challenge Mr Obama for the White House in November's elections, reiterated that he did not support gay marriage.

The former Massachusetts governor told a Fox News affiliate: "I indicated my view, which is I do not favour marriage between people of the same gender, and I do not favour civil unions if they are identical to marriage other than by name.

"My view is the domestic partnership benefits, hospital visitation rights, and the like are appropriate but that the others are not."

A Gallup poll on Tuesday suggested that 50% of Americans were in favour of legalising gay marriage - a slightly lower proportion than last year - while 48% said they would oppose such a move.
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#474782 - 05/18/12 02:52 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Janina]
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I am gay and I would like to one day get married. However, I have NO interest in getting married in a church. I feel as though I am forced to abide by the rules of Christianity.

Well, it's not even that. I don't think I should have to live by another persons personal beliefs no matter what the reason.

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#475075 - 06/18/12 05:16 AM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Salem1985]
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Originally Posted By: Salem1985
I am gay and I would like to one day get married. However, I have NO interest in getting married in a church. I feel as though I am forced to abide by the rules of Christianity.



We all are. The Christian Church has got lot of influence in western society and though they are not so strong as they used to be they still are risk to individual freedom.

One common misconception in Christian thinking is the idea that somehow gays and lesbians would need their acceptance which shows total arrogance from them.
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#475162 - 06/20/12 03:47 PM Re: Gay Marriage [Re: Janina]
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Registered: 06/17/12
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I am also gay, and whilst the subject of marriage is something I haven't spent too much time thinking about (yet!), I would like to think that one day I would be able to marry my partner without self-righteous religionists condemning me and my "unnatural" relationships that displease their god(s). I don't care what anyone wants to believe in - Jehovah, Allah, or flying Spaghetti Monsters as long as it doesn't affect my life and they get off their soap box and carry on with their lunacy in the privacy of their own churches.

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#476159 - 07/08/12 03:41 AM Barney Frank, Jim Ready Marry In Massachusetts [Re: Mr_Darkside]
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Barney Frank, Jim Ready Marry In Massachusetts



BOSTON, July 7 (Reuters) - U.S. Democratic Representative Barney Frank wed his longtime partner, James Ready, on Saturday, becoming the first sitting congressman to enter into a same-sex marriage.

Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick officiated the ceremony and added some levity by saying Frank, 72, and Ready, 42, had vowed to love each other through Democratic and Republican administrations alike, and even through appearances on Fox News, according to Al Green, a Democratic congressman from Texas.

"Barney was beaming," said Green, who attended the ceremony. He added that Frank, a champion of gay rights and the sweeping reform of Wall Street, shed a tear during the ceremony.

After exchanging their vows, Frank and Ready embraced each other, Green said. "It was no different than any other wedding I've attended when you have two people who are in love with each other," Green said.

Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat and a former chairman of the powerful House Financial Services Committee, has been an openly gay congressman since the late 1980s.

He is well known for his legislative acumen, including as an architect of the reforms in the Dodd-Frank bill, which U.S. President Barack Obama signed into law in 2010 in the wake of the financial crisis following the collapse of the sub-prime mortgage market.

Frank's office in January announced he would marry Ready, whom he met at a political fundraiser in Ready's home state of Maine. Ready lives in Ogunquit, where he does carpentry, painting and welding work. Frank and Ready have been involved since 2007.

The evening wedding took place at the Boston Marriott Newton in suburban Boston, attracting political luminaries including Nancy Pelosi, top Democrat in the U.S. House of Representatives, and Niki Tsongas, a Massachusetts Democratic representative.

Before the ceremony, Frank greeted family and friends in a traditional black tuxedo. He was tanned and appeared relaxed. News media were not allowed to attend the ceremony.

"We're not doing any media today," Frank told Reuters.

Frank won a seat in Congress in 1980 and said he will retire at the end of the current term. Besides championing financial reform and the rights of fisherman, Frank has been a vocal supporter of gay rights, which have been gathering support in public opinion polls and U.S. high courts.

In May, for example, a federal appeals court in Boston ruled that a U.S. law defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman unconstitutionally denies benefits to lawfully married same-sex couples.

The ruling on the 1996 law, the Defense of Marriage Act, marked a victory for gay rights groups and President Obama, whose administration announced last year it considered the law unconstitutional and would no longer defend it.

Also in May, President Obama openly endorsed gay marriage, a move that will surely be a flashpoint in the upcoming presidential election.

His Republican opponent, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, opposes gay marriage, saying marriage should be limited to a union between one man and one woman.

Eight of the 50 states and the District of Columbia permit gay marriage. Several polls show U.S. public support of gay marriage rising.

In 2004, Massachusetts became the first state in the country where same-sex couples could be legally married. More than 18,000 same-sex couples since then have wed in Massachusetts, according to MassEquality, an advocacy group for gays, bisexuals and transgender people. (Reporting By Tim McLaughlin; editing by Todd Eastham)
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