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#480278 - 09/10/12 12:41 AM Satanism: Room for Reincarnation?
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From when I first became interested in satanism I have admired Anton Lavey's work. I found a lot in it that I agreed with. It explained a lot, it removed (the last remaining fragments of) my fear of the christian hell, and gave me a lot of confidence in my belief in the need for lack of faith-style religion. There is just that one little problem I have with it: Anton Lavey didn't believe in any kind of life after death.

Now, I think that this was not stupid of him, because from what I know, his life and his experiences would have lead him to think that, but to me it only seems logical that the experience after death would be reincarnation; furthermore I think that if he'd read what I've read and experienced what I've experienced, and thought about it the way I have, he'd might agree with me. Maybe, equally possibly, I'd agree with him if I knew what he knew. But from what I do know, reincarnation seems like the most likely possibility.

My reasoning for thinking this is thus:
Where was I before I was born?
If somewhere, the soul is immortal, since I have always been somewhere.
If nowhere, then where will I be where I die?
If somewhere, the soul is immortal, because I will always be somewhere.
If nowhere, then if I started out nowhere, I can come back, just as easily.

And then there's the thing about consciousness being an arrangement, like a house. But then, I rather think that I am the thing in the house.

My question then is, can I be a satanist and still believe this?

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#480281 - 09/10/12 01:01 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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Well, I would say, because the mystics of ages past discovered that they sounded so clever talking about reincarnation that some or maybe a lot of the people listening to them would believe anything they'd say. I can help a kid out with his or her math homework, and the s/he'll believe me if I say I'm a wizard or that there are monsters living in that closet or under my bed.

I'm talking about reincarnation by itself, that is, disconnected with any illogical or even logical ideas you might have about it or associate with it.

And who knows, maybe their past life's "king" didn't have the best karma after all!

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#480282 - 09/10/12 01:05 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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I personally see a dream of reincarnation as the way of escapism. One cannot fully enjoy his or her life here and now so they start to dream of (better) next life.

Satanism as Religion is exception to others because of itīs carnal nature. We live fully here and understand our mortality. This understanding and acceptance of the obvious fact helps us to see the uniqueness of this one unique life and respect the possibility to exist right now, right here.

To your or anybody elseīs believes I will not take a stance, cause I personally want just live my life enjoying every minute rather than worry about next life. So I let master of this tradition to say his word. Next quote is taken from the Satanic Bible by Magus LaVey from chapter Life After Death Through Fulfillment Of The Ego:

Originally Posted By: Anton Szandor LaVey
The eastern mystic believes strongly in reincarnation. To a person who has virtually nothing in this life, the possibility that he may have been a king in a past life or may be one in the next one is very attractive and does much appease his need for self-respect. If there is nothing in which they can take pride in this life they can console themselves by thinking "there are alway future lives", It never occurs to the believer in reincarnation that if his father, grandfather, and great-grandfather, etc. had developed "good karmas" by their adherence to the same beliefs and ethics as his present ones-then why is he now living in privation, rather than like a maharajah?
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#480283 - 09/10/12 02:12 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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>> Where was I before I was born? <<

You didn't exist before you were born.


>> If nowhere, then where will I be where I die? <<

Nowhere. You'll be nowehere after you die.


>> If nowhere, then if I started out nowhere, I can come back, just as easily. <<


Eeeeeh?


This isn't rocket science. If you can't get to grips with the notion of a purely earthly existence, then no, Satanism is not for you.
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#480285 - 09/10/12 03:12 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Originally Posted By: Drake_Bamboozle
>>If you can't get to grips with the notion of a purely earthly existence, then no, Satanism is not for you.


I'd like to echo that.

The fallacy lies in thinking of "you" as a substance that is somehow a special property inside the body. No such organ exists. The body is not a vessel, it is the summation. Even your balls/ovaries impact the essential "you."

Deal with being meat.


Edited by Insurgent (09/10/12 03:14 AM)
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#480286 - 09/10/12 03:18 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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Originally Posted By: Dark_Mystery
There is just that one little problem I have with it: Anton Lavey didn't believe in any kind of life after death.

In addition to what Citizen Janina posted, here are some other quotes from The Satanic Bible:
  • "Life is the great indulgence -- death, the great abstinence. Therefore, make the most of life -- HERE AND Now!"
  • "and your spirit -- your immortal spirit -- shall live, not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinews of those whose respect you have gained"
  • "If people were able to divorce themselves from the stigma attached to personal ego-fulfillment, they would not need to play self-deceitful games such as belief in reincarnation as a means of satisfying their natural need for ego-fulfillment."

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My reasoning for thinking this is thus:
Where was I before I was born?

This is like asking where the internet was in 1950, or where a cake that I just baked now had existed a year ago. There was no "you" before you were born. Matter may have changed forms in order to accomplish the biological process of creating and developing your fetus, but again there was no "you".

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If somewhere, the soul is immortal, since I have always been somewhere.

Non sequitur. Even if we go along with your first premise, that still doesn't necessarily follow from what you wrote.

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If nowhere, then where will I be where I die?

The same as it was before. There will be no "you" in a physical sense, just the cake I made no longer exists after it's eaten.

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If somewhere, the soul is immortal, because I will always be somewhere.

Again, non sequitur. There's no reason to think that just because your consciousness somehow existed before you were born and/or can exist afterwards, that it's always been there. More importantly, there's no real reason to think that anything like a "soul" exists:


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And then there's the thing about consciousness being an arrangement, like a house. But then, I rather think that I am the thing in the house.

Throughout most of human existence, it certainly seemed that way to humans. People thought the consciousness "spirit" was something separate from the "flesh" of the body. But as the Satanic Bible states (and as we also know from science), there is no "spirit" separate from the carnal; it is only the carnal. Consciousness is the name we give to a system of many simultaneous biochemical processes firing off in the human brain.

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My question then is, can I be a satanist and still believe this?

You should ask yourself why it's so important for you to believe that your consciousness is some separate, immaterial entity. Perhaps you just haven't taken the time to research some of the biochemical and neurological science under what makes "consciousness". But quite often I find that a person's personal need to believe in an afterlife often traces back to unsatanic motivators.
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#480289 - 09/10/12 06:57 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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I would not say that you can be a Satanist and believe in reincarnation. No. For the time being, at least, it's a spiritual pipe dream. Granted, you can be a Satanist and leave room for the possibility that just about anything can happen, though with an eye on rational, probabilistic nature.

Judging by what I have seen, reincarnation just doesn't happen.

Or, maybe, it does happen all the time, in which case, I'd liken it a fate as good as death.

To put it another way... I don't want to be a baby again. I don't want to start all over again. I like where I'm at right now as a 30-something. If I somehow reincarnated from a "previous life" the day I was born, then reincarnation didn't benefit the "previous me", because best as I can tell, I have no memory of any previous life to benefit from.

Reincarnation doesn't lead to vital existence.

Now, let's say you prove reincarnation... You die, you are born, you remember your previous life, and you can somehow use those lessons learned in this new life.

Then what use have you for Satanism or any other religion? That whole issue becomes moot, I think.

Reincarnation is not an empowering modus operandi when you really look at it.
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#480295 - 09/10/12 09:13 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: TheAbysmal]
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I know that famous Church of Satan member King Diamond believes that we live several lives and has explained in great details why he believes this.

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#480297 - 09/10/12 09:39 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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I don't know Kind Diamond. But here's the prime reason that incarnation is fundamentally incompatible with Satanism:

To believe in reincarnation means that you accept a mind/body divide. This ostensible division is the primary cause of a fractured psyche, as the perceived separation between mind and body causes one to exalt the mind, and denigrate the body.

For Satanists, there is only the carnal. We are only our bodies. Words like "mind" and "spirit" are used to describe our emotional thoughts. But we are, fundamentally, animals of flesh.

To entertain that there is a separation between mind and body is directly counter to Satanism.

I would go even further and state that, just like the idea of a heavenly afterlife, ideas like reincarnation are appealing because of an unease with one's life, right here, right now. The moment one fundamentally accepts, without lofty ideas of an immortal soul, that when one dies we are all worm food, and nothing more, you can either be terrified or liberated. It's a choice, really, to live in the now and accept it or constantly be distracted by spiritual pipe dreams because of the underlying crippling fear of death.

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#480298 - 09/10/12 09:44 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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Originally Posted By: thorn9
I know that famous Church of Satan member King Diamond believes that we live several lives and has explained in great details why he believes this.



"Religionists have kept their followers in line by suppressing their egos. By making their followers feel inferior, the awesomeness of their god is insured. Satanism encourages its members to develop a good strong ego because it gives them the self-respect necessary for a vital existence in this life."
-Anton Szandor LaVey
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#480299 - 09/10/12 09:50 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Janina]
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Agree or not King Diamond believes strongly in that and he is a Satanist and was very good friends with Anton LaVey and the last time I checked Anton LaVey is the one who founded Satanism so if he has no issues with the beliefs of King Diamond and gave him eternal membership then that is good enough for me.

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#480300 - 09/10/12 09:57 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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Yes, Anton LaVey founded Satanism. And yes, I suppose he knew Diamond.

But what LaVey states about reincarnation is in opposition to what Diamond claims (or, more accurately, what you claim he claims) about reincarnation.

And who says LaVey had no issues with what Diamond said? I never met either man, and presumably, neither have you. So let's not assume we know what they thought. What we do know is what LaVey wrote. And he wrote that humans are only carnal.

You can disagree with this. Just don't try to call it Satanism.

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#480301 - 09/10/12 10:01 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Zaftig]
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I am just saying that King is a member in the Church of Satan and he and Anton LaVey did know each other. And I do know what King believes in as he has been very open about it in interviews and in live fan chats that he did a year ago where yes I did in fact talk to him as did others.

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#480302 - 09/10/12 10:07 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Zaftig]
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Originally Posted By: Zaftig
Yes, Anton LaVey founded Satanism. And yes, I suppose he knew Diamond.

But what LaVey states about reincarnation is in opposition to what Diamond claims (or, more accurately, what you claim he claims) about reincarnation.

And who says LaVey had no issues with what Diamond said? I never met either man, and presumably, neither have you. So let's not assume we know what they thought. What we do know is what LaVey wrote. And he wrote that humans are only carnal.

You can disagree with this. Just don't try to call it Satanism.



I agree with Witch Zaftig completely, but I would like to add few opinions here. First, like Witch already said, it is useless to use examples from persons whom you really do not know. let these people talk for themselves. We know what LaVey wrote in Satanic Bible and thatīs the prior dogma of Satanism.

Second, if we do not know what was the relationship between these two men we should not discuss about it. It is not our business to take a stance on it. It is their business!

I have many times wondered why so many want to adopt the label Satanism though they do not believe in our teachings. Maybe it is cooler to call oneself to Satanist than Buddhist or Christian and for that reason they want to find out any possible explanations to hold on the term.

Satanism is codified by Magus LaVey and it is all there in the Satanic Bible. If you canīt stand with it you should not call yourself Satanist at all!
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#480303 - 09/10/12 10:12 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Janina]
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I am just saying if Anton LaVey has no issues with King's beliefs then that is all that matters.

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#480318 - 09/10/12 11:55 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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The flawed premise is in your last line: "If I started out nowhere, I can come back, just as easily".

The fallacy here is in treating "nowhere" as a place, and your soul as persisting when it goes "there".

If you were truly "nowhere" before you were born, then you did not exist. You didn't "come from" there in the sense that a thing that's in one place comes from there to another place. You would have begun to exist whereas before you were not something at all.

Similarly, if you are nowhere when you die, it means you cease to exist. When once you were, then you are not. You don't "go" there and can't come back "from" there, because nowhere is not a "there". It's simply the word we use to designate the circumstance of something not existing.

It's hypothetically possible for something that once existed, but has ceased to exist, to exist again, either in the same form or a different form. I mean, the second instance is arguably a different thing, but perhaps a case could be made that it's the same thing. However, there is absolutely no way to make this hypothetical situation plausible, no evidence that can motivate it, in the case of human existence. You're relying on verbal legerdemain to fill in the gaps of deductive reasoning and empirical evidence.
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#480319 - 09/10/12 11:57 AM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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Originally Posted By: thorn9
I am just saying if Anton LaVey has no issues with King's beliefs then that is all that matters.


That's the problem, you're "just saying." But you don't know. You don't know that Petersen (King Diamond) had discussed his belief in reincarnation with LaVey, so therefore you cannot say that LaVey "had no issue" with his beliefs. If Petersen holds true to those beliefs then that is his business, but it does not pertain to Satanism.


Edited by Chaos_Sedated (09/10/12 11:58 AM)
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#480320 - 09/10/12 12:13 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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QUICK EDIT: This was in reply to Thorn9. Quick Reply caught me with my pants down again.

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You're making an assumption that Dr. LaVey had no issues with King Diamond's--to take it at face value--beliefs in reincarnation.

That could be true. I don't rightly know any better than you. Perhaps, though, he did take issue with them and simply never bothered to speak or write about it directly.

One thing I've gleaned in my studies of Satanism is that Dr. LaVey was extraordinarily adept at dealing with people. I find it quite possible--though I'm merely speculating--that Dr. LaVey may never have made a spectacle of King Diamond's beliefs in reincarnation because it simply made sense not to do it, at least in the context of whatever bond were had between the two men.

What can be said with much surety is what Dr. LaVey did write on the subject of reincarnation or afterlife in his books and essays.

Fundamentally, I do not think that "King Diamond believes in reincarnation, is a Satanist, and talked with Dr. LaVey" really bears on Dark Mystery's question. If one really sits down, examines, and judges the ramifications of reincarnation, it's a rather lifeless proposition.

But, perhaps providing actual examples of what King Diamond says on the subject of reincarnation might prove at least more useful in the discussion.


Edited by TheAbysmal (09/10/12 12:15 PM)
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#480321 - 09/10/12 12:19 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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Originally Posted By: thorn9
I am just saying if Anton LaVey has no issues with King's beliefs then that is all that matters.


You're making entirely too many assumptions about what they spoke of, how often they met, how deep their mutual understanding was, that King Diamond believed in this at the time or didn't change his mind in later years, among many other assumptions.

All that matters is to read the books, understand them and actually reflect them.

If what any "rockstar" says or does misses the mark of what is in those books then they miss the mark. Behaviorally or intellectually, they miss the mark. What an honorary rockstar member of the Church of Satan says does not define, dispute or deny any aspect of Satanism whatsoever.

There is really nothing else to say on either King Diamond or reincarnation in Satanism.

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#480323 - 09/10/12 12:40 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Zaftig]
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Originally Posted By: Zaftig
But what LaVey states about reincarnation is in opposition to what Diamond claims (or, more accurately, what you claim he claims) about reincarnation.


AND, who is to say that what King Diamond "said" about reincarnation is really what he believed? Might it not have been just "part of the act?"

Just as Vincent Damon Furnier was NOT Alice Cooper except on stage, King Diamond's stated beliefs may have been just part of what he wanted to project as part of his image.
Just as Witch Zaftig stated, I never met the man to talk to him. So, I will never know.
And as far more knowledgable people have stated here, believing in any spiritual pipe dream is about as far from Satanic thought as anyone can get.
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#480325 - 09/10/12 12:50 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Insurgent]
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You're making entirely too many assumptions about what they spoke of, how often they met, how deep their mutual understanding was, that King Diamond believed in this at the time or didn't change his mind in later years, among many other assumptions


Exactly! Who knows what Herr Doktor and Peterson talked about?
What matters (to me any way) is what Dr. La Vey wrote and said about the subject HIMSELF.

And, as you intimated, many celebrities will say ANYTHING to get their name in the tabloids. "Any publicity is good publicity!"
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#480329 - 09/10/12 01:35 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Chaos_Sedated]
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Originally Posted By: Chaos_Sedated
Originally Posted By: thorn9
I am just saying if Anton LaVey has no issues with King's beliefs then that is all that matters.


That's the problem, you're "just saying." But you don't know. You don't know that Petersen (King Diamond) had discussed his belief in reincarnation with LaVey, so therefore you cannot say that LaVey "had no issue" with his beliefs. If Petersen holds true to those beliefs then that is his business, but it does not pertain to Satanism.


I tried to explain this same, but you stated it so well.

Insurgent had a point in his post. What some Rock musician says is not important here. Like I and many others have already pointed. The dogma we follow is in the Satanic Bible. It is not in words of king Diamond no matter is he member or not. LaVey codified Satanism, not King Diamond.

Secondly like Witch Zaftig pointed, if/when we really do not know personally what was going on with these two gentlemen we should not take a stance to whole questions just because we happen to like or dislike some musician.
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#480331 - 09/10/12 01:44 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Janina]
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If Kings beliefs are against Satanism then why does Peter Gilmore still mention him in interviews as being a member in the Church of Satan? I mean if King is lying about what he believes then fine, but he sounded very sincere to me and every one else when he was doing his live fan chats last year while recovering from his health issues. But even many years ago he talked about how his haunted apartment in Denmark was the reason he decided to study the occult and eventually found the Satanic Bible and talked about it in interviews which is why Anton LaVey invited him to the Black House and gave him eternal membership.

But I guess all of that were things he made up as well then OK

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#480332 - 09/10/12 01:52 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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Originally Posted By: thorn9
If Kings beliefs are against Satanism then why does Peter Gilmore still mention him in interviews as being a member in the Church of Satan? I mean if King is lying about what he believes then fine, but he sounded very sincere to me and every one else when he was doing his live fan chats last year while recovering from his health issues. But even many years ago he talked about how his haunted apartment in Denmark was the reason he decided to study the occult and eventually found the Satanic Bible and talked about it in interviews which is why Anton LaVey invited him to the Black House and gave him eternal membership.

But I guess all of that were things he made up as well then OK


You know,
King Diamond is not the issue here at first place. I have heard you invoke to King Diamond as your authority few times earlier,but he is not our authority.

I mean, I could say any nonsense to anybody and then start the issue that cause I am the member of CoS this or that view or believe is true. I however am not authority to define anything cause Satanism is like it has been stated by Magus LaVey. With same basic logic King Diamond is not authority to define the meaning of Satanism no matter is he member or not. Satanism is (once more) codified by LaVey, not King Diamond!
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#480333 - 09/10/12 01:56 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Janina]
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I know LaVey codified Satanism I am the one who pointed that out which is why many people not just myself found it interesting that he gave King eternal membership when he has the beliefs that he does.

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#480334 - 09/10/12 02:37 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: thorn9]
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King Diamond is an entertainer. He sells his own brand of entertainment just as others do. How he markets this is his business and he has been successful at doing it (Satanic). What entertainers say is one thing but the level the entertained take to the heart is another.

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#480340 - 09/10/12 03:48 PM Reincarnation's Logic Flaws [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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Others have already given some great replies (Bill_M and Reprobate, particularly), so I would just add a few problems with the logic of reincarnation.

If the reincarnation you have in mind involves the idea of karma also determining the next life being a better or worse one, that screams the idea of a higher being. Something would need to "judge" who goes where, and set rules for what is right and wrong, commendable and condemable. This is obviously not compatible with Satanism. When we say that there is no god (other than when we choose to recognize ourselves as one) we don't mean just a Christian god, but any external judge of our actions.

Next, if we are just talking about reincarnation from the idea of a resultant death leading to a new life, might I point out that the human population is growing. This is at odds with a concept where lives are recycled. If instead of just humans, we look at other life populations, that too has grown since the beginning of life on the planet.

Reincarnation is just another idea that the desperate need in order to deal with (i.e. ignore) their mortality. Satanists are carnal beings who celebrate how life really is. We don't invest in pipe dreams, or entertain fantasies that somehow let us still live on. Certainly, as lovers of life, we'd LOVE for that to be true, but we are too realistic to devote any time in believing in such a concept when there is no evidence of it.

Enjoy that you ARE alive NOW! Make the most of it!

Even IF reincarnation does happen (really big, huge, HUGE if!) then there is a definite deletion of the memory of past lives, and thus YOU have been extinguished. If you are reborn, but don't remember your past life whatsoever, that is essentially the same thing as just a new person being born. The two hold no connection.
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#480342 - 09/10/12 03:57 PM Re: Satanism: Room for Reincarnation? [Re: Dark_Mystery]
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Loc: Poland
It is good that you managed to overcome your fear of hell. There is just one thing for you to ponder. You say you do not believe in hell but believe in reincarnation. Is there any difference? I mean...How can you be sure that your afterlife will not be worse than that which your Christian teachers threatened you with. You might be reborn as a flea or a cockroach or some other disgusting insect. It would be a nightmare as horrile as burning in hell or even worse, unless you think that the life of worms is not that bad. Some of them get free food and I read somewhere that cockroaches even like drinking beer. grin

Do not get me wrong. I do not mean to offend you or something. I am just curious. Many people who believe in reincarnation see only the bright side of it. However, the concept of punishment is there too. And being reborn over and over again is also a punishment. So how this hell is better or worse than Christian hell?
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