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#480373 - 09/11/12 02:56 PM A Secret
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Doktor LaVey wrote a short but powerful essay in Satan Speaks titled, A Secret (Well Sort Of). I have discovered that I too share that very secret but find it a natural part of my nature. As a Man I have no need to dominate or talk down to but pleasure the beautiful creatures i.e. Woman who seek that very pleasure. I am sought after because I am unlike the herd and I understand that.

To those who resonate with this secret, do you find it a part of your nature or was it something learned?
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#480377 - 09/11/12 04:24 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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Originally Posted By: Tier Instinct

To those who resonate with this secret, do you find it a part of your nature or was it something learned?




Dear warlock, I cant answer to your question cause it is Secret!

wink
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#480381 - 09/11/12 06:13 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Janina]
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LOL!

I bet it is.
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#480383 - 09/11/12 06:57 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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Very Natural. When I was single, I was a word of mouth guy. Lots of friends of friends came calling. Of course, I loved the extra attention. I will say this however. As a young man my father told me never to be mean to girls because you never know which ones will be the most beautiful when you grow up, and why burn a bridge you haven't built.
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#480387 - 09/11/12 07:13 PM Re: A Secret [Re: S810]
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I do not think it is about being mean but what the Doktor mentioned as subjective. Like the Doktor, I feel that women are my strongest allies and I enjoy allowing them to experience what they are looking for. Call me crazy but there is a hell of a lot more to this than meets the eye.
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�Love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional aliments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.�
Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#480388 - 09/11/12 07:26 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I think his terminology was just because I was pretty young when he told me. I would never call you crazy. I'm with you on this. I've been very fortunate when it comes to the finer sex. I've also found them to be great allies at very important times. I can't love them enough.
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#480390 - 09/11/12 07:36 PM Re: A Secret [Re: S810]
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If you delve into the essay you may just see what I see. Your old man seems to know what he was talking about too. At heart, romantics, well, you know but this does the distance. I see our own Rev. Drake Bamboozle giving his two cents but we can only - (I hate to use this term) hope.

coopdevil
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#480401 - 09/11/12 09:42 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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To me it comes naturally only when I don't care if I will or will not get anything from a certain woman. If I care too much, the Magic is lost.


Edited by JDBones (09/11/12 10:16 PM)
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#480402 - 09/11/12 10:09 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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My good relations with the ladies has been a learning experience for me. I'd say it isn't a learned behavior, but learning to recognize what was always there, like a latent ability.

Just this evening, I was fumbling around with the Dish Network remote at work. Who can find CNN among the umteen thousand channels, anyway? As I was paging through the damnable mess on screen, one of the ladies at work "accidentally" brushed my outstretched hand with her boob.

I used to be the guy that would pull his hand away if such a thing would rarely happen. Better late than never to have figured it out... You keep your hand there, man! grin And, she keeps her boob there just a bit longer than an "accident".

What I've learned is the more open I am to such things happening, the more they happen. smile
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#480404 - 09/11/12 11:21 PM Re: A Secret [Re: TheAbysmal]
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Now that is carnal knowledge! whistle

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�Love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional aliments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.�
Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#480562 - 09/14/12 11:52 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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This is quite a memorable essay you have brought up, Tier Instinct.

Quote:
It is not necessary to rape, assault or verbally abuse.
I make women wet their pants.


When I was a teenager I was in fact "too nice." It took me a while to learn to take charge and "seal the deal." Since then I have almost always played the father role in all of my relationships -- even in instances when the girl has been older then me.

For me, I wouldn't say the "secret" has been a learned ability, but I will assert that I have had to learn what types of women I could be most successful with. Naturally, this goes back to the Balance Factor and knowing how to categorize oneself in Lesser Magic (sex, sentiment, wonder) and on the Synthesizer Clock. coopdevil
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#480585 - 09/15/12 12:33 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Dax9]
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An astute point and the combination speaks volumes. "The Father Role"?

A bit odd.
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Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#480926 - 09/22/12 06:53 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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If I may add my perspective here I'd like to point out that the "father role" is quite apt in that it is an example of a sort of traditional authority figure most girls learn to follow from the very beginning of their lives, and perhaps for Dax9 "father" suits his personality but the same role is played out many times as little girls grow up.
The older brother and his friends, the handsome teacher, the dashing police man, the boss at work etc.
Usually these become nothing more than fantasies.

Until a man who knows either learned or by instinct that some girls (or ladies or women) are quite willing follow if he is capable of leading her in that way.

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#480936 - 09/22/12 11:34 PM Re: A Secret [Re: TECHNO]
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I get a bit of a creepy feel from your post. Ladies are my allies as they most likely are my strongest supporters even. Not because of some inherent fatherly regression but because they share the very passion for my efforts that I have. Hmm you have given food for thought - allow me to ponder.
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�Love is one of the most intense feelings felt by man; another is hate. Forcing yourself to feel indiscriminate love is very unnatural. If you try to love everyone you only lessen your feelings for those who deserve your love. Repressed hatred can lead to many physical and emotional aliments. By learning to release your hatred towards those who deserve it, you cleanse yourself of these malignant emotions and need not take your pent-up hatred out on your loved ones.�
Anton Szandor LaVey, The Satanic Bible

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#480939 - 09/23/12 01:01 AM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I felt the creepy vibe a little as I typed but that was the only way I knew how to explain the idea so creepy it shall be lol.

I'd like to assure all those reading that it is not my way to mislead or take advantage of women for any reason. Merely to fulfill a role desired by those seeking that type of dynamic pairing. I like to think of it as a yin-yang type of thing, male and female energy working together towards mutual benefit.

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#481009 - 09/24/12 01:32 AM Re: A Secret [Re: TECHNO]
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Let me clarify: By "father role" I meant that women have often asked for my advice and have been very willing to tell me all their "dirty little secrets", knowing that they will not be judged or lose my approval. Under the surface there is something going on about wanting to keep my attention.

My wife looks very good for her age, but she will be 41 in January. It's not like I'm married to an 18 year old! smile That said, her income is larger than mine; she is very independent in many ways. Nonetheless, despite her being eight months older than me, she often compares me to her dad. Sure, my military experience and government job may contribute to the "authority figure" dynamic, but I still think there is something else emotional going on that I can't quite explain.

That "father role" also applies to my Platonic relationships as well. It's something about making women feel safe, secure in their own skin, knowing they can be themselves without having to worry about me freaking out at something they may say.

Knowing that I am a Satanist, they know they can say anything around me.

Let me mull over this some more....
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#481035 - 09/24/12 10:42 AM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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Oh c'mon. Haven't you heard the song? crazy grin



Seriously, though, I think it's something a woman is drawn to because, no matter how dominant or submissive she may be, it's nice to be taken care of sometimes. To not shoulder it all. Less to do with sex, more to do with strength. Protection.

Definitely more valuable and rare for a top o' the clock woman to find a man who can genuinely fill this need/desire and not just be an overbearing abusive domineering chauvinistic dickhead. Yeh, there's a difference. wink

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#481038 - 09/24/12 11:49 AM Re: A Secret [Re: Dax9]
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Originally Posted By: Dax9
... I still think there is something else emotional going on that I can't quite explain.


I think it's a role than can be particularly effective with more dominant women.

All of us are gentle, soft, fragile creatures at some time or another. But, the consequences of appearing (and/or being) vulnerable can be quite undesirable for the 12-ish ladies. It's dangerously close to being prey. So, for women who are inherently more wolf than Little Red Riding Hood, encountering a man who is capable of letting her feel honestly submissive is giving free rein to her Demonic.
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#481085 - 09/25/12 01:47 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I have thought about the replies left in this thread. I doubt that the Doktor ever sought after a father like role but maintained a masculine, genuine personality that the ladies simply picked up on. He was/is genius and at most times that means being a good listener and speaker. It is my opinion that he possessed both qualities - as do I.

The Secret per say speaks volumes as does his third book but I think this father like mentality is not what he was going for. I allow my ladies to be themselves, no questions asked. I allow and want the carnal to manfest and I see this as the same jive the Doktor spoke of. I mean - Marilyn Monroe liked to fart during sex according to an article that I read and he enjoyed this trait about her. There is a lot to pick up on here but I feel it drifts back to the carnal nature that he adored so, and again - so do I.

Thoughts?
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#481087 - 09/25/12 03:34 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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Speaking from my own experience, I have a fiancee who loves my masculinity and good listening and speaking.

She's perfectly comfortable around me and can be herself completely, and I can get her very enthralled and aroused pretty easily.

Then with girls I'm just friends with, I can play a sort of "gay best friend" who isn't actually gay sort of role often, listening and giving advice.

None of them are attracted to me to my knowledge.

Along with this and the Synthesizer Clock, this just seems blatantly contradictory now in terms of attraction and seduction...I mean, is just EVERY straight woman attracted to a strong dominant man regardless of her clock position now??

I wasn't clear on that to be honest even when reading The Satanic Witch; 12 o'clock women need a big strong man, (hard to find one to fit them but those guys are out there) and then the 6 o'clock women also need big strong men to dominate them...

Does this mean all heterosexual men should be as masculine and strong as possible, to the limit of not being overbearing or violent towards women?

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#481088 - 09/25/12 03:59 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Knowing one's clock position and the balance factor means everything - of course.

Does this mean all heterosexual men should be as masculine and strong as possible, to the limit of not being overbearing or violent towards women?

Why should a heterosexual man be violent or overbearing towards anyone if he is comfortable in his own skin? Vice verse even?

The essay is the important ingredient. Read it!
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#481089 - 09/25/12 05:05 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I type myself as a 3:30 o'clock, and my fiancee as a 9 o'clock.

So we have that natural compatibility, and I know I'm most attracted to women in the ~8-10 o'clock range.

Of course self-comprehension and control is necessary before one can successfully project one's power outward; if one is comfortable in one's own skin he can be comfortable and confident enough to influence others magically.

Issue for me is with this essay appears in opposition to the Synthesizer Clock...there is only one type of male, who if he uses himself properly can attract the only one type of female...that's what I'm getting anyway.

I don't see much different from what people are expressing in this forum.

I'm extremely open to correction.

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#481091 - 09/25/12 05:21 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I asked my wife why she was attracted to me. She told me that she likes masculine and athletic men. The Marines uniform was a bonus.

I make her feel safe and my masculinity was a key factor in wanting to bear my children.


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#481092 - 09/25/12 06:35 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I'll add that I did learn how to be attractive to the opposite sex midway through high school.

I learned to not be so "nice" and to be more assertive and masculine and a bit mysterious.

Never became mean, but became "not a suck-up" essentially.

Then when I read The Satanic Witch I learned of the Majority/Demonic self concepts and personality typing, and that helped me understand why I was repeatadly attracted to a specific type of gal.

And acting up my type, using what I have and am WELL, helps enormously...

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#481093 - 09/25/12 06:48 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Labyrinthine]
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I was always the guy that would be the only one not "sweating" a certain female. They would become interested in finding out why.

I also scored a few dates just for the fact that I was the only one in my group of friends that did not smoke cigerettes.

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#481101 - 09/25/12 10:53 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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I just skimmed over the article again. This one line jumped out at me:

Quote:
I give back the father figure.


Upon my last reading I may have made the error of interpreting it as the Doktor offering himself as a father figure to the women in his relationships. I see now that this may have meant that he intended to "give back" the father figure role as obsolete. Is this what you think Dr. LaVey meant?

In any case, I'm going to continue to use what works for me! smile

HS!
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#481102 - 09/25/12 11:00 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Dax9]
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I interpret it as the meaning you originally he took; that he was taking on a father figure role himself.

I've never heard the phrase "take back" to mean stopping using something because that thing is obsolete, or to make something obsolete.

It would be very strange language to use like that and doesn't make sense in that meaning in context either.

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#481104 - 09/25/12 11:18 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Good. Maybe I was right the first time.

I'm open to all thoughts within this pleasurable discussion. cool
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"Anyone without a sense of humor is too pretentious to be a good magician."
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#481106 - 09/25/12 11:31 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Dax9]
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The idea here is not to rationalize - rather go with what works. Being familiar with the Doktor's biography and how he aligned himself with (what works) speaks more than words. This I feel bleeds into the very essay I speak of, lest someone wishes to correct me?
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#481129 - 09/26/12 12:35 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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You certainly need no correction Warlock.
I have this natural way about me, I am carnal very carnal.
When I am with a man I want to pleasure him as well as be pleasured. It is two way street for me.
I love the pleasures of the flesh.
When I have sex with a man, I am wanting his hard phallic in me.
I don't need father figures or protection, I want a man for sex, so all daddy types and bouncers please stay home.


Edited by Azeri (09/26/12 12:37 PM)
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#481163 - 09/27/12 04:29 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Originally Posted By: Labyrinthine
...I mean, is just EVERY straight woman attracted to a strong dominant man regardless of her clock position now??

I wasn't clear on that to be honest even when reading The Satanic Witch; 12 o'clock women need a big strong man, (hard to find one to fit them but those guys are out there) and then the 6 o'clock women also need big strong men to dominate them...


Generally speaking, men are bigger than women and men are stronger than women. So saying all heterosexual women like big strong men is almost like saying all heterosexual women like men. There are of course little wimpy guys who still attract the ladies, but I guarantee you there is something about each of them that is distinctly masculine. Could be the jaw line, chest hair, deep voice, a fighter's spirit, etc.

The Personality Synthesizer Clock doesn't present ways of getting around heterosexual men's attraction to feminine traits or heterosexual women's attraction to masculine traits. It just fine tunes it.

So begin by emphasizing anything about yourself that's more masculine than most other guys around you. Deeper voice? Create lots of opportunities for yourself to speak where women can hear you. Taller? Create lots of opportunities for yourself to be standing with other men when women are around. These tricks will attract the attention of any heterosexual woman. And you can't do a damn thing until you've gotten her attention.

Then fine tune it.

I realize your post wasn't a plea for dating advice. I'm phrasing it this way to show how the Clock can be used to attract women of all clock positions *despite* every straight woman being attracted to strong dominant men.



Edited by DamnedLucky (09/28/12 04:37 AM)
Edit Reason: I had referred to the entire book when really I meant the clock specifically.

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#481624 - 10/12/12 11:22 PM Re: A Secret [Re: Lust]
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Despite only ever having a single partner, I have found throughout my pubescent and post-pubescent life that the pleasure of the woman should take precedence. Sure, I want it too, but giving is so much more enjoyable than receiving.

I'm certain it had everything to do with me growing up watching Sue Johanson's "Sunday Night Sex Show" throughout adolescence, but perhaps it is built into my very nature. >_>
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