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#481057 - 09/24/12 03:51 PM "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan"
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In Satan Speaks, Anton LaVey has a brief essay titled "A Plan", in which he discusses the appeal and aesthetics of Satanism in comparison to Jews and Nazism.

I here will express my thoughts on the essay, and then see thoughts on the topic from others.

(For those who haven't read the book, I strongly recommend it; The Doktor "goes wild" writing on a variety of stories and observations. Just got it in the mail this weekend.)

I see what he means that there is definitely Nazi/Fascist aesthetics in Satanism; the all-black, the lightning bolts, the use of Norse gods and symbolism.

Even in the philosophy, we share the "Let the strong rise and the weak starve" sort of mentality. It's highly debatable to what extent the Nazis actually practiced that Social Darwinism in their leadership, rather than cronyism but that's a story for another day; the IDEA was there anyway and practiced, albiet selectively.

And then there's a commonality between Jews and Satanists, that we are outcasts, aliens from Christian society.

The Jews are even made out to be an alien elite of sorts by many conspiracy theorists; controlling the world's banks, media, and government. Not "Alien Elite" in the Satanic sense, but still an alien elite of sorts for sure.

Many hereditary Jews, who don't practice their tribe's religion, are atheists and many are drawn to Satanism as a "stronger" alternative to "atheist humanist of Jewish descent"; they feel a need for a stronger religion more in tune with their true philosophy as they've always lived it.

LaVey himself was of Jewish descent if I'm not mistaken, right?

So I hadn't realized all that connection with Jews before reading the essay, and it really got me thinking.

I myself am not Jewish nor do I have a drop of Jewish blood in me to my best knowledge.

However, the majority of my best friends are Jewish!

I do live in a mid-sized New York city, so maybe it's just an issue of demographics, but I really think there is a natural Satanist/Jewish attitudial/philosophical connection I'm getting.

My said Jewish friends and I tend to agree on views of history, society, and politics quite often.

I find them generally much more agreeable to socialize with than old WASP establishment, and interior American Southern Baptist and other Christian sect people.

All my close friends are atheist or agnostic, and out of those a bit more than half are Jewish; either very liberal or outright atheist and embrace only the holidays and the ethnic identity.

All very interesting to consider, just thinking out loud here.

Anyone else see the same thing?

And then also, LaVey talks about an amalgam Zionist Odinist Bolshevick Nazi Imperialist Socialist Fascism; which can only be found and championed in the Church of Satan.

I get that he was being tongue-in-cheek with this phrasology, but I'm thinking he selected all those religious/political ideologies because they're taboo in the Western World nowadays, right? Especially the US. (Socialism is a lot more acceptable in Europe of course.)

Then is the philosophy of Satanism really a combination of Judaism and Nazism, taking selected parts from each...?

(Yes I do know of and support of course the Policy on Politics.)

Fascinating to think about...then of course it draws from other sources as LaVey codified it; various subversive Western authors, simple observation of society by LaVey himself.

Anyway what are your thoughts on the matter?

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#481059 - 09/24/12 04:39 PM Re: "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan" [Re: Labyrinthine]
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And then also, LaVey talks about an amalgam Zionist Odinist Bolshevick Nazi Imperialist Socialist Fascism; which can only be found and championed in the Church of Satan.

I get that he was being tongue-in-cheek with this phrasology, but I'm thinking he selected all those religious/political ideologies because they're taboo in the Western World nowadays, right? Especially the US. (Socialism is a lot more acceptable in Europe of course.)

Also, because they are, to external appearances, completely inconsistent with one another. Only a particular, idiosyncratic and visionary act of will could combine those things, and only a Satanist could live in the tension between them. The point is not that Satanism is that combination of views --- the point is that only Satanism can accommodate an individual who subscribes to that combination of views.

The point LaVey is making is about creative tension in the explosive union of irreconcilable forces. Satanism thrives on it. Blake called it an alchemical marriage of Heaven and Hell, and said, "Without contraries, there is no progression". As Whitman said,

Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)

What I'm saying is, Jewish Satanism is an excellent example of the kind of glorious perversity, poised on the knife's edge of incoherence, that Satanism celebrates and revels in. As an example, it's not meant to limit the forms that may be taken by other expressions of playful or experimental fusion of irreconcilable identities. For one person, it may be Judaism and Nazism; for another, the most fruitful contradictions might lie elsewhere.
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#481060 - 09/24/12 04:43 PM Re: "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan" [Re: Labyrinthine]
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PS. I couldn't help but laugh at your question about the Doktor's Jewish ancestors, in relation to an essay in which he writes sympathetically about someone who might pretend to have Jewish ancestors.
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#481061 - 09/24/12 04:57 PM Re: "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan" [Re: reprobate]
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Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

That makes a lot of sense; the synthetic, progressive nature of contradictions, (on the surface) absurdly combined.

Goes along with the whole "Third Side" idea too, yes?

A Satanist doesn't have to fit a clean-cut label in his political and philosophical musings.

He pragmatically analyzes any ideas he studies and uses what parts work for him there; resulting often in apparent contradictions.

That's what I do.

Cool.

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#481062 - 09/24/12 04:57 PM Re: "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan" [Re: Labyrinthine]
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As a Socialist Social-Darwinist Luddite Technocrat, I have to say, exceedingly well put Mr. Reprobate.
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#481111 - 09/26/12 01:38 AM Re: "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan" [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Warlock Reprobate already addressed the topic of the essay itself, but as for this point...

Originally Posted By: Labyrinthine
My said Jewish friends and I tend to agree on views of history, society, and politics quite often.

I find them generally much more agreeable to socialize with than old WASP establishment, and interior American Southern Baptist and other Christian sect people.
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Anyone else see the same thing?

Come to think of it, yes, I can relate. I was actually brought up in a neighborhood that was about half Jewish, half Catholic (my family falling into the latter group). As absurd and self-defeating of a religion that Judaism itself is, I unashamedly find a certain appeal in Jewish ethnic subculture. I can't imagine doing my radio show without any Jewish entertainers, because so many great American comedians have been Jewish, from the Marx Brothers all the way to David Cross. It was a question I raised to Bobby Slayton when I interviewed him.
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#481984 - 10/22/12 03:02 AM Re: "Satan Speaks" essay; "A Plan" [Re: Bill_M]
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While I do like David Cross i'm a huge Adam Sandler fan. Me and some friends of mine used to go watch him preform out in Harvard square back before he was famous. He allways put on a great show and took time out after for his fans. Then last summer he was back in town shooting yet another movie, this time at my old elementery school. Trust me the guy hasn't changed a bit! In my opinion he's the funniest man since George Carlin!
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