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#481193 - 09/28/12 08:59 PM 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks
ElizabethC. Offline


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I'm re-reading Satan Speaks and the essay 'The Real Victims' is about the current culture of victimhood and most people aren't actually victims--they're just looking for excuses. Then he says that there are indeed real victims--the innocent. Then there's this:

'The women's movement destroyed naivete, and in doing, it annihilated innocence.'

It seems to be saying that the real victims are people who've lost their innocence. I thought Satanism was about being intelligent and inquisitive. Innocence as perfection is a very Christian concept--Adam and Eve were perfect until they lost their innocence. Being aware was god-like, which was why god didn't want them to eat of the tree of knowledge.

Thoughts?

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#481199 - 09/28/12 09:42 PM Re: 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks [Re: ElizabethC.]
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Originally Posted By: ElizabethC.
It seems to be saying that the real victims are people who've lost their innocence. I thought Satanism was about being intelligent and inquisitive. Innocence as perfection is a very Christian concept--Adam and Eve were perfect until they lost their innocence.

You seem to be taking this one word out of context and trying to relate it to Abrahamic mythology. The essay continues from that sentence to "The malcontents versus the satisfied. The ugly versus the beautiful. And the malcontent and the ugly were to become the official victims from which the scam of oppression would emerge and flourish. "You're not really happy -- you just think you are because your eyes haven't been opened to the way you've been used." "You're not really happy" became a command, not an analysis."

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Being aware was god-like, which was why god didn't want them to eat of the tree of knowledge.

But this bogus playing of the victim card is NOT about any real awareness. It's about wanting attention and somebody else to blame for one's own short-comings. Bullshitting yourself with the attitude of "I'm oppressed by [insert scapegoat here]" when you're really not, is NOT "awareness". It's hypocritical self-deceit. Meanwhile there are some individuals who truly do become victims of something through no fault of their own (read: innocent) whether it's through the bad luck of circumstances or ironically being the scapegoat of somebody who plays the victim card.
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#481205 - 09/28/12 10:32 PM Re: 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks [Re: ElizabethC.]
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Oh, I wasn't saying being a victim was being self-aware. The Perpetual Victim is the sort of person I want to give something to whinge about.

I just wasn't understanding what LaVey meant by the word 'innocent' and how it relates to the women's movement.

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#481206 - 09/28/12 10:38 PM Re: 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks [Re: ElizabethC.]
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I would speculate that doubting everything that could ever make you happy is a loss of innocence.

A girl can't accept a flower from a guy. That's Heteronormative Cis-Sexist White Male Privileged Euro-Centric power dynamics at work, you see. See?
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#481236 - 09/29/12 09:52 PM Re: 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks [Re: ElizabethC.]
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I think that the church has even stepped forth and spoke of Adam and Eve as metaphorical.

When you can conceive of what the Doktor speaks about is when you gain understanding.

Magister Svengali exposed modern culture, his name is, Edward Bernays.
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#481254 - 09/30/12 09:28 AM Re: 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks [Re: Insurgent]
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Originally Posted By: Insurgent
That's Heteronormative Cis-Sexist White Male Privileged Euro-Centric power dynamics at work, you see. See?


Damn, you've got the rhetoric down! I'm impressed wink.

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#481353 - 10/04/12 02:27 AM Re: 'The Real Victims' from Satan Speaks [Re: ElizabethC.]
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