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#484197 - 12/20/12 01:10 PM Re: Satanism and NLP [Re: verszou]
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>>The Skepticality podcast also actually got things right about Satanism and clearly stated that it is not devil-worship in one of their episodes where the topic came up.

I remember that episode. I think it was about Humanism and Satanism came up.
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#484279 - 12/22/12 08:53 AM Re: Satanism and NLP [Re: verszou]
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I find some of the methods of NLP to be useful tools in Lesser/Greater Magic, but I don't buy into any of the egalitarian dogmas espoused by its leading proponents.


Yes the egalitarianism of NLP books, especially NLP for Dummies (which is still a good starting point)is rampant, for many of them it's quite easy to disregard it and replace with a useful realistic and Satanic perspective. crossbones

I have found that treating others based on how they have treated you does not render NLP useless.

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In terms of lesser magic, I think Dale Carnegie's "How to win friends and influence people" is by far some of the best material you can read and apply.


I do have this and have read it many times, I have crossed out some areas and highlighted others. It's quite battle hardened little paperback. I was not impressed with the Digital Age version but it had some helpful pointers.

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I would recommend you to read this article:

PRETENDERS TO THE THRONE



Janina, I have read Pretenders to The Throne it was great, it actually kept me from buying into some of the Temple of Set's pseudo-philosophy. It was the straw that broke the camel's back, the rest was that their views are too damn confusing. I had a hard time reading through the article on Radical Constructivism, it was just...wow.

The Skeptical Perspecive on this is helpful as well, I am always questioning and I have found Bandler's book to not be very helpful. However the NLP for Dummies has a workbook for the learners who need to work thought the concepts, and Quantum NLP by Christiane Turner is not to bad either. Nonetheless, I never let these concepts (NLP or "New Age Support Groups") become an obstacle to the notion that I am a Satanist and if I want to achieve something I can do it and I will be successful if I work hard and do it right. Satanists are the highest embodiment of Evolutionary Life and NLP can't overshadow this, it's merely a tool.


Edited by ChrisA (12/22/12 09:00 AM)
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#484280 - 12/22/12 09:15 AM Re: Satanism and NLP [Re: Bill_M]
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A number of years ago I had the chance to get to know a psychiatrist who was one of the main direct disciples of the founders of NLP.

He was a world class master of subtle manipulation of even those who thought they were highly "immune" to same. One of his "off the shrink clock" gigs was to quietly sit in corporate negotiations and observe the "enemy".

He'd then quietly pass notes to his corporate employers with suggestions how to throw the other team off balance, confuse them, anger them, make them anxious, mislead them, basically get them to make serious blunders that his side could take immediate and devastating advantage of.

In private conversations with him he lambasted the pop culture infatuation with NLP and said that doing real NLP was a rare gift, like being born a world class athlete or musician, and that less than one percent of those who tried would have any success at it.

One either (according to him) had an intuitive feel for how to do it (in which case the skills would just arise and evolve naturally and "learning" NLP was silly and irrelevant), or one didn't have a natural talent and instinct about it (in which case it was a self-deluded waste of time "learning" NLP).

He also said that the only group that seemed to have a natural immunity to all his nefarious tricks were Native American elders, because they had developed iron wills, knew what they really wanted, and could not be dissuaded, confused, or rattled.

"Most all White people just have weak flabby minds, older Indians minds are made out of rock and iron."

Not everything he did was mischievous or for profit. He also was quite effective curing war veterans and rape and incest victims of serious PTSD (cases that had been labeled hopeless), and frequently did it in one session.

Since knowing him I've decided that the core skills do exist, but only a tiny elite of the naturally talented can actually do it; the mass practice of it is for the most part bullshit, like the mass practice of most things is bullshit.
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#484281 - 12/22/12 09:16 AM Re: Satanism and NLP [Re: Numblok]
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Originally Posted By: ChrisA
I never let these concepts (NLP or "New Age Support Groups") become an obstacle to the notion that I am a Satanist and if I want to achieve something I can do it and I will be successful if I work hard and do it right. Satanists are the highest embodiment of Evolutionary Life and NLP can't overshadow this, it's merely a tool.


Nicely put sir. I like the way you wrote it here!
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#484304 - 12/22/12 03:08 PM Re: Satanism and NLP [Re: Numblok]
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Since knowing him I've decided that the core skills do exist, but only a tiny elite of the naturally talented can actually do it; the mass practice of it is for the most part bullshit, like the mass practice of most things is bullshit.


Just that way an egalitarian society tries to make everyone feel like a big shot, even if they can't come up with the goods.

I think that's why I never like Bandler's book on NLP, it seemed to be the first on everyone's list. Some mass marketed book that had this pipe dream title on it to make promises for people who couldn't achieve their goals with their own determination.


Edited by ChrisA (12/22/12 03:09 PM)
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