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#486040 - 02/04/13 10:41 PM Breeding.....Like Rats
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Humans, how I love to loathe most of thee.

Poor people are breeding incessantly and multiplying at an astonishing rate. This is the main reason why our economic system is being hit so hard.

Why should my hard earned dollar be given to unemployed, lazy, pathetic individual that has nothing to contribute to society, but more humans? I dislike liberals and humans rights activists / advocates. It shouldn’t have to help those that do not wish to help themselves.

All of these social programs, welfare checks and EBT cards should be abolished and the money goes into Military and Law Enforcement and Space Technology. How can we further advance as a nation, if we keep contributing to the weak? As the strong continues to march on, the weak are permitted, allowed and even encouraged to not move at all, all the while draining our resources and of course……making more humans.

The infestation of human rats in the inner city is horrendous. These people do absolutely nothing with their lives except Sleep, Do Drugs, Drink, Eat, and Shit and of course…..make more humans. Of course, these people are unable to provide for the little humans, let alone themselves. Oh, but guess what? The Government has a special social program for them.

“Can’t afford medical care?” Tax the Police officers even more
“Can’t afford a steak dinner?” Tax the Firefighters even more
“Can’t afford baby formula?” Tax anyone making more than $100,000 a year even more
“Want to have another child?” Tax, Tax, Tax……….

People are sickening, and the people that vote and agree with these programs are even more detestable. If you are receiving any form of Government aid and you are jobless, non-productive, have more than one child, an addict, an alcoholic, an occupier, etc….than you are a human rat that needs to be extinguished.

I am done venting.

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#486044 - 02/05/13 01:55 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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If you were in such a good position yourself, I doubt you would bother to make the time to share your "vent" on the internet with strangers.

If you feel so threatened by this behavior perhaps you should make real steps towards trying to change it through productive political action? That or simply accept the fact that it is a ceaseless tide, and try not to worry too much about it; if you are sipping wine and doing fine without the support of others, you shouldn't have much to worry about.

It's not that I don't agree on some of your points. It just feels like it has been said so many times before. And the people saying it often seem to get very hung up about it, while doing very little to take any action against it.

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#486046 - 02/05/13 02:02 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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>> the money goes into Military and Law Enforcement and Space Technology. <<


I'm not convinced that particular prognosis would work as a solution.

But otherwise I agree. Here in the UK there is a pandemic of socialism creeping over the populace. It is acceptable for someone to be an innefectual waste of space - but not acceptable for anyone to point it out.

However, Sloth is intrinsic to human nature. I myself do not believe in work.

Work kills.

I fully understand why anyone would refuse to be a slave to governments and corporations. Slavery did not end with the blacks, it was extended to include everyone.

It seems possible to me that the human race is evolving towards homogeny. Corporations have succeeded where religions failed in uniting the human race. Identities are now bought off the peg on the high street.

Socialism, yes, is a problem. It loves the wastrel. But as Charles Bukowski pointed out: people don't need love, they need success of some kind.

For as long as governments exist in their current incarnation as the stronghold of society then people will be born into slavery; and thus an unhappy populace will infest the streets.

A world where people are free to discover their own purpose is the only solution, the only way we'd have a society where people do not look for their escape in unproductive persuits.

Abolish money. Abolish slavery. We need a completely different engine for the world. We need governments that are subservient to human potential, not a society that is subservient to governments. Work kills. Unless it is our own work.

It's not as simple as exterminating the rats.
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#486056 - 02/05/13 10:14 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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Those are some pretty blanket statements:
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If you are receiving any form of Government aid and you are jobless, non-productive, have more than one child, an addict, an alcoholic, an occupier, etc….than you are a human rat that needs to be extinguished.


I won't say which category I might fall under, or have at some time, but as far as estinguishing goes, I dare you to try wink

Actually, to be fair, theoretically I and many Satanists agree--in principle, but the sad fact is that sometimes shit happens to good people and they need a bit of assistance to get through it, and we all know this and we all make exceptions for that friend, or family member or ourselves. Yet, wouldn't it make more sense to avoid these issues by controlling the breeding rather than extinguishing the breeders?

Again I say the cure for all the world's ills: Mandatory reversible sterilization at birth for every human on the planet. You then decide which country has the best "You can breed if..." laws.

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#486064 - 02/05/13 02:33 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Reverend Drake_Bamboozle,

I appreciate what you're saying about work and slavery and money and peoples' "need" for government do do everything for them.

I have thought of it before as well, how corporate consumerism has replaced religion in many countries.

But, say you abolish that whole economic/cultural system: you really don't think something filling the same role would take its place?

I think it's just human nature that most people need a strong sense of identity and belonging in a herd, and they'll seek it out. Then, a smaller number of people are savvy and opportunistic, and will provide the dumber people with what they want. It can be religion, or it can be iPhones and clothing labels. People like symbols and groups and feeling special.

Satanists are anti - herd conformity, but, I don't think herd conformity can be eliminated from everyone else, without tinkering with human brains and/or genes directly.

I DO think government, economics and culture can improve to suit us, and other free-thinking sorts better, but, it can only go so far.

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#486065 - 02/05/13 02:54 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Indeed, I don't claim to have the answers. But the current global system does not support the potential the human race has in its arsenal.

It is my solid conviction, however, that there really is no need for money. It is simply the method by which governments keep their populace held in slavery.

As for war; all war is, one way or another, about protecting, maintaining and the acquisition of internal finances.

I will never wear a uniform. I will never give my life to protect a mere idea - that of national identity.

Above all, I believe the human race will eventually win through. They will not call it Satanism but Satanic principles will one day ensure that man will walk the earth as gods.

For the time being, we're muddling our way through, hampered by philosophy and its cheap-as sidekicks religion and politics.

Religion. Philosophy. Politics. In their current manifestation: the holy trinity.
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#486067 - 02/05/13 03:44 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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If we are talking about extinguishing anybody, I would start with our government, the members of parliament and most of the politicians in general. They are lazy, good-for-nothing parasites living in our pockets. They take our money but do not give anything back. They are like annoying fleas draining our blood. The less of them, the better.

I do not know much about your welfare system, perhaps, it really does not motivate people to work, but different countries have different welfare systems. We have one too and here too the poor and the unemployed receive money from the state. However, the amount of money these people get is so small that they could not survive if not for the help of various charities. Do you think it is normal? I think it is sick.

I agree with you that alcoholics, drug addicts and the folks who are generally lazy and irresponsible should not receive any help. However, the problem is that many people are poor due to the circumstances that are beyond their control. For example, they lose their jobs and they need help before they find a new one. I believe you are aware that many companies go bankrupt these days. An illness can also lead to poverty.

It seems from your post that the United States are a paradise for the poor and you are not required to do anything to get money. Well, you might be right, though I doubt it. It is just too good to be true.
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#486070 - 02/05/13 04:50 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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Personally, I'd have them take it one step further and do away with the government as a whole, allowing successful individuals the ability to exchange services, resources and products freely and most importantly, equally. Those that could not produce enough to survive would die off.
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#486071 - 02/05/13 05:46 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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I am a scientist, not a sociologist, so feel free to take my opinion with a grain of salt. Also, I live in the U.S., for context.

Poor, uneducated people remain poor and uneducated because the education system relies on local tax income in order to fund schools. So, neighborhoods of the working poor remain poor due to inferior education. The poor are not genetically inferior, they are simply suppressed by social policies.

Secondly, social safety net programs such as welfare, are a mere band-aid applied to keep the peasants from revolting. They exist for the protection of the privileged.

It's interesting that welfare accounts for 10-13% of the U.S. budget, while education sits at a constant 3%. A shunting of welfare spending into education would increase the number of useful people produced by the education system.

For the record, I come from a poor family, though never poor enough to rely on welfare. I did eat my fair share of mustard sandwiches for dinner. However, I was fortunate enough to go to a good school that was fed by families, of which 95% were much wealthier than mine. I graduated at the top of my class, and as far as I know I'm the only one about to attain a PhD. Wealth does not ensure good genetics, neither does poverty exclude them.

Stop throwing scraps to the rats, and they'll set their eyes on larger prey.

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#486074 - 02/05/13 08:24 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: anna]
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The current laws regarding AFDC/Aid to Families with Dependent Children demand the payee perform community service, education, job searches and hoops galore to get a maximum of under #300 per month per child SO....
it makes no sense at all for a person with just one or two kids to apply. Even with added benefits like food stamps and medicaid you'd starve.
You need to raise a basketball team who all stay under ten in order to get cash & do nothing.

Now, I am not so Pollyanna that I haven't seen a few folks take extreme liberties with the system. I am just saying it is a shitty life, with boat loads of hoops and exploratory proctology by the powers that be.

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#486103 - 02/06/13 01:40 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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There's plenty of shit my taxes pay for that I personally wouldn't myself. I'm literally paying for other people's health care for gods sake. That person could've been a total asshole and probably deserved to get sick. And don't let me get started on all these illegal immigrants with little to no respect for most U.S. citizens. And I'm paying for their kids to go to school and they still can't speak a damn worth of English. How bout that?

But on the other hand, there ain't shit I can really do about it. Besides, I can afford to not even care that much.
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#486107 - 02/06/13 02:12 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Ygraine]
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Actually...as someone who has paid many years into the system via taxation, I would feel no shame accepting government assistance, should the need arise. Having never been inclined to be a sponge, I would work toward gainful employment post haste.

Sadly, for the human race, I am not a breeder.
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#486166 - 02/07/13 12:57 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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>>I dislike liberals and humans rights activists / advocates. It shouldn’t have to help those that do not wish to help themselves.

It is easy to dislike something from a position of luxury. Yes, the first world citizen lives in luxury and can make comments about those he deems less than himself easily and without worry. Life is peachy.

There are issues that need to be addressed. A nanny state isn’t the solution, but neither is a total reverse of all the hard work done by those who changed the world for those more privileged citizens. Yes, we work hard to maintain our privilege and to enjoy what we do have. Yet, privilege by birth, by circumstance, and by our own hard work too.

>>The infestation of human rats in the inner city is horrendous. These people do absolutely nothing with their lives except Sleep, Do Drugs, Drink, Eat, and Shit and of course…..make more humans.

And make blanketed tirades on the internet in the hopes others will agree.
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#486220 - 02/08/13 10:57 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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Interesting points from everyone, I like reading others opinions.

Let me try and clarify / respond to what some of you have said.

I am not intimidated or threatened by these leeches. I simply disgust thier philosophy and way of life.

Government aid should be given to tose that need it and or deserve it. By this I mean....The returning Marine from combat that has been disabled by enemy fire. The wounded Police Officer and Firefighter. The retired individual that has contibuted to society and worked hard. All others receiving government aid, need to show motivation that they are trying to get back on their feet. If not, and all they want to do is lounge around, do drugs and bleed the system, extermination or deportation is a must!

Anarchy is completely ridiculous. People as a whole need to be controled by the Government is some fasion or another. I support and love Capitalism. Yes, it is not a system for the un-motivated sloth. You don't like it? Move 40 miles and south!

Since you need a license to do just about anything, breeding should be one of them.

The current government is placing too much emphasis on caring for the weak. While our tax dollars are being shelled out to welfare recipients, W.I.C., Section 8 housing, etc, the military is taking pay cuts and being scaled back, DoD is receiving less money, all the while the eneimes of the United States build thier military personel and technology.

Venator

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#486225 - 02/09/13 12:50 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Meneyazwun]
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Poor, uneducated people remain poor and uneducated because the education system relies on local tax income in order to fund schools.


I certainly agree that this dilemma undercuts the future of those poor students who want to better themselves. Unfortunately, in many areas, such as in my state, most of those underprivileged little bastards have no intention of learning, bring weapons to school, and steal and vandalize on every chance they can. They are only forced to attend school because their parents see school as free day care. Is this where my tax dollars are going?

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However, I was fortunate enough to go to a school that was fed by families, of which 95% were much wealthier than mine. I graduated at the top of my class, and as far as I know I'm the only one about to attain a PhD.


I am very much in favor of students with high I.Q.s to be given the chance to excel in education and land higher paying jobs. This is why I am also in favor of chartered schools -- free public schools that offer higher quality classes but at the same time have much higher standards for acceptance. However, parents with children of lower to average intelligence are still going to argue that their kids should also enjoy the same benefits and opportunities offered by chartered schools since their taxes are paying for chartered schools as well. They would contend that poor smart kids should pay to go to private schools!

So there really is no easy answer for any of this.
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#486259 - 02/09/13 09:28 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Dax9]
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Originally Posted By: Dax9


Unfortunately, in many areas, such as in my state, most of those underprivileged little bastards have no intention of learning, bring weapons to school, and steal and vandalize on every chance they can.

I am very much in favor of students with high I.Q.s to be given the chance to excel in education and land higher paying jobs. This is why I am also in favor of chartered schools -- free public schools that offer higher quality classes but at the same time have much higher standards for acceptance.


My high school was affiliated with a technical center where students could choose to take classes learning practical skills, while still earning high school credit. Not everybody is an academic and bound for college, yet the vast majority of public schools are trying to force students into this one mold. Many high school students realize this, and would rather be little hellions than waste their time taking classes that are no good to them.

Allowing students to choose between an academic and a practical education is one way to improve the education system. I would probably have turned out to be just another shitstain if I didn't go to such a good school. The quality of education sets a limit on the quality of an individual, except for those with incredible talent and ambition.

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#486263 - 02/10/13 12:26 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Meneyazwun]
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Allowing students to choose between an academic and a practical education is one way to improve the education system.


Yes, I can agree with this. After all, higher education is still a business, so forcing students into that one "mold" generates more tuition, more fees for textbooks, more financial aid loans, more interest and so on. A liberal arts degree is probably not the wisest choice for most young people to take in terms of becoming marketable.

Believe me, I was not born overly privileged. I had a part-time job all the way through senior year of high school. I had a lot of fun in college, but my degree has nothing to do with my present job. Even today I am still paying back on the last lingering amount of my financial aid debt! smile

In retrospect I wish I would have studied something more practical.
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#486266 - 02/10/13 04:42 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Ygraine]
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>> Again I say the cure for all the world's ills: Mandatory reversible sterilization at birth for every human on the planet. You then decide which country has the best "You can breed if..." laws. <<


But then that would be the government who decides the criteria. And the criteria would be work and taxes. The mandate for complete and utter slavery.

It seems to me that our blueprint for governments is fundamentally wrong.

But I don't know what the solution is. There will always be wastrels. Laziness is intrinsic to our species. Though people do need to feel some kind of success in order to be happy and balanced. I don't think the acquisition of money needs to be the sole arbiter of that.

As I have said, I completely understand the masses rejecting state slavery with every bone in their weasely little bodies.
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#486273 - 02/10/13 07:34 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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>> Again I say the cure for all the world's ills: Mandatory reversible sterilization at birth for every human on the planet. You then decide which country has the best "You can breed if..." laws. <<


But then that would be the government who decides the criteria. And the criteria would be work and taxes. The mandate for complete and utter slavery.

It seems to me that our blueprint for governments is fundamentally wrong.



Ah, but you forget, my friend, that I am a complete American tool! I buy all that patriotic for the people crap, hook, line, and sinker.

...with a bit of a twist: We get the governement we ourselves fight for. I don't like all this going about spreading democracy. People who are ready for democracy will spill their own blood for it, not wait for it to be gotten for them. My country suffered through a revolution and a civil war to make a statement about what they wanted for a government, and perhaps some day it will happen again, but saying the government decides things is really just owning up to what we, collectively, allow. (yeah, that was a long winded sentency-lecture thing.)

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#486274 - 02/10/13 07:50 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Ygraine]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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>> We get the governement we ourselves fight for. <<


Fight for, yes maybe.

>> saying the government decides things is really just owning up to what we, collectively, allow. <<

Indeed. Which is why so many don't allow the government to force them into a job.

It's all a game. Government is legalised extortion. And don't anyone go thinking if it weren't for the rats they'd take less taxes off us. Because they'd just find another excuse to extract it from its populace.

Of course, there was also an English civil war (1642 - 1651). As far as I can tell governments as we currently know them all end up the same. Like I say, I don't know a solution, but I do posit our blueprint for governments are currently flawed.

But it's not something I personally am willing to fight for. Not with my blood, at any rate. But there are other ways of fighting.
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#486278 - 02/10/13 10:44 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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Man, do I wish growing up on welfare was really as awesome as everyone makes it out to be. That would have been amazing - a free ride, no concerns, never having to worry about being take care of - sounds so fantastic it's like a dream.

It is also a skewed, over-emotional, and unrealistic portrayal of welfare. The hard reality is that maintaining the basic necessities (food, clothing, shelter) when your margin of error is about 100 bucks a month means that you are constantly scrambling to make ends meet, always under threat of eviction and starvation, and never have enough surplus to even begin thinking about the future, must less saving for it, and making plans to improve. If your entire life has been spent trying to survive from week to week, the long term is not only inconceivable, it's also a big fucking tragic joke. It's the thing that politicians argue over, while the poor don't give a fuck, because they cannot even imagine it.

Yes, there are endemic problems with a welfare system. But eliminate it completely and you would not suddenly find the poor subclass scrambling to get jobs, you would instead have the poor subclass homeless and visible to you everyday, where you get to step over their shit in the street.

Welfare hides away the poor. It provides just barely enough not to be homeless.

Let me be clear: I am not saying welfare is good or bad, I am saying that how it is discussed almost always completely misses the mark of its reality.

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#486280 - 02/10/13 11:22 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Zaftig]
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Witch Zaftig,

I like your post, and would like to add:

Satanists are not required by the religion itself, or by the Church of Satan to endorse any particular political opinions, though many Satanists do hold political opinions.
(If you haven't read High Priest Peter Gilmore's "Policy on Politics", I recommend you do, on the Church of Satan website.)

Satanists are adaptable pragmatists in everyday life, and in political positions.

Therefore, I may hold certain high-minded, fantastic ideals of how I'd LIKE the world to work, ("Everyone should be essentially self-sufficient, imaginative, and free-thinking, and take responsibility for themselves") but recognize that that's just not the way things are.

Some things will change some won't, but, thinking from how things are, my political opinions are pragmatic...say for example, that keeping large numbers of people alive in their own homes is preferable to violent dissatisfaction in the form of mobs on the streets.

Think about what the ACTUAL results of policies would be, rather than what you want them to be.

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#486281 - 02/10/13 11:31 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Zaftig]
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There is a seminal older book about Native Americans whose name/author I cannot recall, with a famous quote I'll try to get close.

In the book, a White guy is expressing envy over the "easy carefree" lifestyle Indians have on the reservation, surrounded by amazing natural beauty, not being bound by an office job, etc.

An Indian responds:

"Can you eat a rainbow, can you feed it to your hungry kids? Can you track down and butcher a sunset, put it on a plate with fine bloody juices, and make your wife happy? Can you fit a babbling brook into next weeks shopping list so your Grandmother doesn't starve"?

Something like that.

Grass, fence, greener.

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#486291 - 02/10/13 12:37 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Quaark]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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Originally Posted By: Quaark
There is a seminal older book about Native Americans whose name/author I cannot recall, with a famous quote I'll try to get close.

In the book, a White guy is expressing envy over the "easy carefree" lifestyle Indians have on the reservation, surrounded by amazing natural beauty, not being bound by an office job, etc.

An Indian responds:

"Can you eat a rainbow, can you feed it to your hungry kids? Can you track down and butcher a sunset, put it on a plate with fine bloody juices, and make your wife happy? Can you fit a babbling brook into next weeks shopping list so your Grandmother doesn't starve"?

Something like that.

Grass, fence, greener.



Yes. But Red Indians are another example of a group that has played the victim card for years. Been bleating about their rights to leap through rainbows high on substances since the year dot.

And lo and behold when the white man comes offering to share food aplenty all they got was "white man speaks with forked tongue" and expressing a desire to scalp the proverbial hand that feeds them.

And now all this shit about how you can't eat a rainbow? No shit, Sherlock. Fuck em.
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#486295 - 02/10/13 01:01 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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I have no idea what you're on about here, but it has no relation to reality, historical or present, so I've no clue where to begin to reply to that.

But that's quite OK. I enjoy your consistency. It's like a Phillipe Patek watch, it can be counted on, and it's always stylish.

And American Indians, as a whole, remain my favorite ethnic group over all others.

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#486297 - 02/10/13 01:10 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Quaark]
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>> I have no idea what you're on about here, but it has no relation to reality, historical or present <<


I've seen the cowboy films. I know what these people are like.
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#486304 - 02/10/13 03:17 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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Loc: United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: Drake_Bamboozle
>> I've seen the cowboy films. I know what these people are like.



I just nearly spat out my beer from laughing ya fecker!!!!! :-D
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#486321 - 02/10/13 11:08 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Quaark]
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Registered: 01/16/13
Posts: 12
Loc: Michigan
Originally Posted By: Quaark

"Can you eat a rainbow, can you feed it to your hungry kids? Can you track down and butcher a sunset, put it on a plate with fine bloody juices, and make your wife happy? Can you fit a babbling brook into next weeks shopping list so your Grandmother doesn't starve"?


If that hasn't been rendered as a work of art, it should. I'd love to have the image in my head up on my wall. I'd do it myself, but my right brain doesn't work.

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#486340 - 02/11/13 10:17 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Zaftig]
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Registered: 11/11/07
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Loc: Cowtown
Originally Posted By: Zaftig
Man, do I wish growing up on welfare was really as awesome as everyone makes it out to be. That would have been amazing - a free ride, no concerns, never having to worry about being take care of - sounds so fantastic it's like a dream.

It is also a skewed, over-emotional, and unrealistic portrayal of welfare. The hard reality is that maintaining the basic necessities (food, clothing, shelter) when your margin of error is about 100 bucks a month means that you are constantly scrambling to make ends meet, always under threat of eviction and starvation, and never have enough surplus to even begin thinking about the future, must less saving for it, and making plans to improve. If your entire life has been spent trying to survive from week to week, the long term is not only inconceivable, it's also a big fucking tragic joke. It's the thing that politicians argue over, while the poor don't give a fuck, because they cannot even imagine it.

Yes, there are endemic problems with a welfare system. But eliminate it completely and you would not suddenly find the poor subclass scrambling to get jobs, you would instead have the poor subclass homeless and visible to you everyday, where you get to step over their shit in the street.

Welfare hides away the poor. It provides just barely enough not to be homeless.

Let me be clear: I am not saying welfare is good or bad, I am saying that how it is discussed almost always completely misses the mark of its reality.


You've highlighted quite clearly why it is I hate offhanded diatribes like the one Venator made.

It's really, really easy to sit up on a high horse and start issuing these decrees when you really have no scope of what happens in the real world. And the majority of people making these blanket statements, I often assume, have no real idea what is really going on in the lower echelons in society. They just assume that the only people receiving any kind of help are drug abusing scumbags.

I have been on the bottom before, seen others on the bottom, and sometimes it is their fault (and sometimes it has been my own) but often times a bad streak of luck can lead to the worst of situations. The dynamics of a broken family unit are pretty difficult to discern as well from just a cursory glance; my wife, who is one of the hardest working people I have ever met, was systematically beaten down for years by an abusive, emotionally disturbed mother, who pulled the entire family into a slum, both literally and figuratively. It would have been a real shame to see her, powerless to do anything at such a young age, simply be whisked away like a "rat" due to the mistakes of her parents.

I stand by the fact that, the only people bitching about the system are the people who are getting the raw end of it. Anyone who is truly successful doesn't have to worry about this kind of low level social business anyways, and the ones who pretend they have some idea of how it works and are unsympathetic usually have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. It's akin to people in the head office of a business who were hired from other venues rather than within the company systematically tearing the structure of their new business down because they fail to understand how things work at its lowest level due to a lack of any kind of tangible, hands on experience.

This whole discussion seems thoroughly retarded to me apart from the few always insightful posters who - not coincidentally - also happen to be members of the hierarchy. Funny how stratification also sheds light on perspective.

I also think anyone looking for MORE government intrusion on privacy and on our personal lives are really missing the full ramifications of what such a rigid system can lead too - and that, despite how fantastic and wonderful and intelligent and useful they think they are, are blinded to the risks that they might actually end up on the BOTTOM of such a system, and as a result, would be a victim of the type of oppressive bullshit it would allow for!

It's hard for me to take a solid position on anything political anymore because it all seems so fundamentally flawed in one way or another. I blame people for that, as usual. They suck.

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#486341 - 02/11/13 10:19 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Loc: Cowtown
Originally Posted By: Labyrinthine

Think about what the ACTUAL results of policies would be, rather than what you want them to be.


I'd like to amend my previous statement; members of the Hierarchy, and Labyrinthine. You are one poster whose opinions I really value here. You almost always have something insightful to say, and this quote nails it on the head in my opinion.

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#486356 - 02/11/13 03:05 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: TheDegenerate]
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Loc: America
Thanks TheDegenerate! I'm happy that others enjoy reading what I have to say.

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#486426 - 02/13/13 01:08 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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Rarely are half measures adequate, and nowhere is this more the case than with misanthropy, I think. A jaundiced eye for people who are on welfare, but not for people who aren't - or, alternatively, a jaundiced eye for people who begrudge the temporarily downtrodden the help of welfare, but not for people who don't, and not for the temporarily downtrodden themselves. A jaundiced eye for Democrats but not for Republicans, perhaps, or vice versa. A jaundiced eye for the mindless drones at their desks, but not for the captains of industry, those Ubermenschen - or, alternatively, a jaundiced eye for the ruthless exploiters at the top of the pyramid, but not for the proletariat, who do the work and produce the thing sold.

But now I'm starting to drift afield from the original post, into saying things like, a jaundiced eye for non-whites taking jobs or taking welfare, but not for whites, who deserve the jobs because capitalism originated in white culture - or, alternatively, a jaundiced eye for whites, who slaughtered or displaced any aboriginal inhabitants who had the bad luck to be in the way, or made slaves of those who had the bad luck to be near at hand and vulnerable to such a thing, but not for non-whites, who in all things have been victimized and deserve recompense.

I'll stop there, and merely suggest that misanthropy in whole cloth might smell less of hypocrisy. Humanity sucks. I'm sure the trees would agree, if they were capable of such opinions. Humanity is rotten to the core. The sole saving grace is the occasional individual whose sense of honesty, beauty and fairness dazzles us, even if only sometimes. Here and there an individual doesn't suck, or at least sometimes doesn't. But taken as a whole our species reeks of myriad corruptions. It isn't this side of the coin but not that, or that side of the coin but not this. It's the coin.
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#486427 - 02/13/13 01:40 AM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Emilio Largo]
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>> Humanity is rotten to the core. The sole saving grace is the occasional individual whose sense of honesty, beauty and fairness dazzles us, even if only sometimes. Here and there an individual doesn't suck, or at least sometimes doesn't. But taken as a whole our species reeks of myriad corruptions. It isn't this side of the coin but not that, or that side of the coin but not this. It's the coin. <<


Best thing I've read on here in ages. I mean ages.
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#486439 - 02/13/13 02:14 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Emilio Largo]
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Bravo, Sir, Bravo!


Venator

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#486492 - 02/14/13 03:18 PM Re: Breeding.....Like Rats [Re: Venator]
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Registered: 11/06/11
Posts: 77
Loc: Germany/Spain
Originally Posted By: Venator
Poor people are breeding incessantly and multiplying at an astonishing rate. This is the main reason why our economic system is being hit so hard.


The economy isn't in the gutter due to an overcrowded poverty department. Things are more complicated than that.

Originally Posted By: Venator
Why should my hard earned dollar be given to unemployed, lazy, pathetic individual that has nothing to contribute to society, but more humans? I dislike liberals and humans rights activists / advocates. It shouldn’t have to help those that do not wish to help themselves.


"Unemployed" is not a synonym for "lazy" and "pathetic". This may be your opinion on them, but really... Barkley's is letting over three thousand people go, just to name one example. All of them are going to be unemployed soon and in tough waters trying to find new employment. Most people find themselves out of a job due to circumstances beyond their power to control.
I don't understand why you wrote this sentence, " I dislike liberals and humans rights activists / advocates." in there. Stream of consciousness maybe? Anyway... I am a liberal and I advocate human rights. I am convinced that people deserve equal chances to grow and better themselves so that they can contribute what they can to further a world worth living in. It is not about helping those who won't help themselves. Again, things are more complicated than that.


Originally Posted By: Venator
All of these social programs, welfare checks and EBT cards should be abolished and the money goes into Military and Law Enforcement and Space Technology. How can we further advance as a nation, if we keep contributing to the weak? As the strong continues to march on, the weak are permitted, allowed and even encouraged to not move at all, all the while draining our resources and of course……making more humans.


Well, here is one of the problems. Too much money has been spent in the past to keep the U.S. military in a steady cash-flow. The educational system and the infrastructur have been put on hold for too long. I have seen cities in the U.S. that looked like something from a third world country. Talk about pathetic.
Space technology is a very interesting field. I have always been fascinated by the idea of exploring worlds "out there", but I also understand that humans are not ready to do so. The issues at hand have to fixed first. Spending millions on space programs while schools aren't able to supply computer access to their students. Seems really rather silly.

I am not going to quote the rest of your post. It is full of biases and finger-pointing. If you needed to vent about an issue that really seems to piss you off, I'd suggest letting it all go in a good old ritual. And if the topic still bothers you, do some research and do something about it. Personally, I think that talking about extinguishing a specific group of people because it is easy to make them the scape-goat of an economic crisis is a disturbing thought. It has been done in the past and in some places they are still doing it. As far as I know, it never came to any good for anybody.
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