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#498624 - 04/27/15 04:57 AM The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority
SaintG Offline


Registered: 04/26/15
Posts: 17
Hello,

This is not about hypocrisy. This is not about inconsistency.

Those themes are considered negative traits, but reasonable excuses for being unreliable.

Is there anyone on earth able to claim to be a satanist without being told otherwise by others? Does it matter what anyone else says?

Is there an authority who can say what to believe?

I'm an atheist who recognizes the capacity of religion as a social control factor and the creation of one or few individuals who have made it seem that their convictions are of great importance to other people.

This harvesting of souls is done through every community with the appropriate tendencies of fascism by requesting submissiveness.

Found already were the words that meant to say that the Church of Satan is a collective of atheists who do not believe in myths.

Here's the deal: Satan is a symbol the community tries to dissemble from it's original creation and mythological properties.

That same voucher went on to explain later that certain forms of inexplicable magic are considered plausible, even though people who have significant experiences are advised to invest their time properly into mental health care.

The community first denounces the possibility that people's convictions about the world are used as a means to measure alternative laws of nature and reality, yet unseen. Then it explains the few ways of magic that are allowed to be taken seriously.

A flawed, flawed, flawed gesture to those who have logical, scientific based morals and still preserve enough alternative ideas to potentially inform about a second nature.

The myth of Satan can't be denounced for what it resembles, even when a community does not wish or fear to represent the origins of magic and practices of the 'supernatural'. It means the community is narrow minded, afraid and excludes 'unwanted' people for their ideas.

Regards,

G
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#498632 - 04/27/15 12:35 PM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
Ravarx Offline
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I'm sure there are going to be other people better equipped to answer all this, but I'll give it a shot, and other people are more than welcome to correct any flaws in my reasoning.

I have never been told I'm not a Satanist, and if somebody had the gall to say something like that, it would be a fair assumption that their own beliefs are free game for harassment, or at least they are open to being told they aren't whatever they claim to be...

The individual is their own authority of his/her own beliefs. You chose to be an atheist on your own. Nobody told you you had to be one, did they? If they did, you should probably do some soul searching, and see if that label fits you truly. It is bad for the mind to lie to itself.

By definition, an atheist is a person that does not believe in a true creator and all knowing god. A person can still be religious, and claim to be an atheist.

My goals and convictions are selfish, as I'm sure any other true Satanist would say. They involve myself, and to Hell with anyone else that tries to insert them-self into my desires. It is both unwanted, and rude, especially to a person that strongly believes in privacy. Only a mindless sheep would feel their path in life is important to other people.

We don't believe in myths anymore than we believe in sugarcoating our beliefs. We follow a metaphor that is recognizable to people in a certain capacity. We are strongly individualistic, we have our own pride, and we submit to no one that we deem unworthy of said submission. As I said before, we are selfish, and if we are otherwise, the other person is worth our kindness and love.

We aren't exactly hiding where our symbolism came from, now are we? I fail to see how this could be a problem. Most religions nowadays are tainted by Christianity, and everyone borrows from everyone else. If someone truly had a brand new, never before seen idea at this point, I would be amazed.

If you're seeing demons and claim Satan is literally speaking to you, you're having a mental episode and need help. Sorry, but that is not magic. Yes, we have rituals, but in many ways they are designed to be flashy and entertaining. Any true magic is used to better the self and the individuals environment, as it is not in any way supernatural. Some things just have to be acknowledged as such.

Again, we all know what people will interpret our beliefs to resemble. This has been beaten to death on many occasions, and isn't even worth bringing up anymore. If we cared, we would change the name.

It is human to be narrow minded, afraid and intolerant. We exclude people that believe murder and human/animal sacrifice is okay, and people that believe in an actual god creator that really exists, as that is not Satanism. Honestly, it is pretty frightening to realise there are people that think rape, murder, and ritual suicide are good for the sake of religion, but that is not how we think.

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#498635 - 04/27/15 02:26 PM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: Ravarx]
SaintG Offline


Registered: 04/26/15
Posts: 17
Hello,

Your conceptions of magic do not necessarily represent mine.

On the other hand, you seem to argue the amount of authority in your representation regarding the "we" and "us".

Thank you for responding.

Regards,

G
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Always the same song
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#498637 - 04/27/15 11:11 PM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
fatebender Offline
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Registered: 11/28/04
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As far as I know there is no faction of the Church of Satan priesthood dedicated to policing those of us who may wish to don tinfoil hats, or experiment with magic mojos, or whatever else. Nobody expects you to agree with everything that some individual may have to say even if said individual is a Satanist.

There are a number of subjects that the forum wishes to address in private rather than out in the open, presumably because we do not enjoy the annoyance of addressing every naysayer, cross-bearer, or bone-picking fence-sitter, in constant debates on abortion, evolution, and whether or not "spirits" exist (stuff we've all been over a million times and have figured out for ourselves.)

Where you go from here is up to you. You aren't among enemies.
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#498638 - 04/28/15 07:03 AM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
SaintG Offline


Registered: 04/26/15
Posts: 17
Hello,

Isn't it ignorant to think there is a group who demands you to give up on religion?

All I'm saying is that no matter your beliefs or definition of lack thereof, there should not be anyone who tells you otherwise.

Then it seems like just all the rest, almost human nature to do so. Once more it seems I will not be accepted for who I am, which isn't bad, but this Satanism isn't what is looks like at all.

It's LaVeyism. Satanism existed before LaVey.

Regards,

G
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A different breed on hooves are sheeple, following the path of the goat
Always the same song
"We do not believe in Satan" - The Church of Satan

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#498639 - 04/28/15 10:09 AM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
Citizen_Horror Offline
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Registered: 03/31/12
Posts: 262
Loc: Arizona
Originally Posted By: SaintG
It's LaVeyism. Satanism existed before LaVey


Actually, it didn't.

Prior to 1966 "satanist" was a meaningless slang term thrown around by Christians. If a bunch of kids vandalized an abandoned house, it was done by "satanists". Members of different religious sects were "satanists". It was a nebulous, ill-formed term.

Along came LaVey with a codification, which can be found in the Satanic Bible. This was the first (and only) time that anyone had turned the term "Satanism" into a tangible term. This is why the Church of Satan is the one and only.

If your goal is to blindly rebel against the history of the Church, please see this thread which will establish the Church's stance on the term "LaVeyan Satanism" or, as you have put it, "LaVeyanism".

On the first page alone, you will find the input of two Satanic Magisters and one Reverend.

The topic has arisen many times.

Suffice to say, attempting to convince us that any form of Satanism existed prior to Anton LaVey is a gargantuan waste of time.

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#498640 - 04/28/15 11:32 AM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: Citizen_Horror]
SaintG Offline


Registered: 04/26/15
Posts: 17
Hello,

It's subjective, and I don't believe you at that. Which is logical to me. Laveyism is a waste of satanism.

Are you here to say that an apple is not an apple and that you believe a moment in time can be set from where an apple did become an apple?

That very moment is when the apple became slang for an entirely made up fruit. And all those who remember the apple, are ridiculed by the ones who didn't understood the root of the apple and say that where the term 'apple' originates from is false.

It's so relational to religion. What you're doing. Faith is blinding.

I'm here confused because there is a collective denying they stole terminology and use it for something else.

A collective that claims to be atheist at it's root and therefor denies existence of everything that's got to do with religion and faith, and the supernatural, while blindly following someone who uses a term best described as mythological in nature, and therefor of religious origin. Stupid.

Imagine I make up a new recipy for a pie. We all now the ingredients, some like the taste of the new dish I invented, other's don't. I call it chocolate pie.

"Delicious", people hear and want to taste it, unfortunately it tastes like meat and no chocolate or cocoa was used during the making of the meal, upon further investigation. The people who blindly accept this is chocolate pie and the only true chocolate pie at it, continue to deny the existence of chocolate altogether, and irrationally exclude you and the people with any recollection of actual chocolate, regardless their genuine interest in the group of people who wrongly assume they're eating really chocolate pie.

I've said it before, I'd not want to be part of that. And think should be left to bleed out until it's dead.

Regards,

G
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A different breed on hooves are sheeple, following the path of the goat
Always the same song
"We do not believe in Satan" - The Church of Satan

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#498641 - 04/28/15 12:16 PM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
Robert K Stock Offline
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Registered: 08/22/12
Posts: 63
Loc: El Reno, Oklahoma
SaintG

I could decipher only one actual thought in your entire morass of verbage. And that is you think there are many "types" of Satanism. There isn't and there never has been.

Before LaVey you could find Occultists, Devil Worshippers, and Aleister Crowley's Thelemites. No one called themselves Satanists before Anton LaVey founded the Church of Satan in 1966.

If someone reads the Satanic Bible and does not see themself reflected in it's pages, that means that someone is not a Satanist.

There is nothing wrong with that, however that person would be wasting his or her time here.





Edited by Robert K Stock (04/28/15 12:17 PM)

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#498644 - 04/28/15 04:54 PM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
anna Offline


Registered: 09/27/10
Posts: 240
Loc: Poland
All the so called self-styled Satanists running all over the internet and claiming the archaic origins of Satanism build upon Anton LaVey and one other guy, somewhat naughty, whose name I won't mention because of house rules. Yet they delude themselves they built their own unique paradigm. As if.

And most of those who bitch about the Church of Satan and collectives go away only to set up another collectives, churches, temples, orders with their own hierarchy, titles, inner circles, fancy clothes and what not. Simple human hypocrisy. Talk about the pot and the kettle.
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#498646 - 04/28/15 05:25 PM Re: The ingenuity of words and sincerity of authority [Re: SaintG]
SaintG Offline


Registered: 04/26/15
Posts: 17
Hello,

I would agree the first impression of the "Church of Satan" does indeed look cheap.

Certainly not worthy of it's title.

Regards,

G
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A different breed on hooves are sheeple, following the path of the goat
Always the same song
"We do not believe in Satan" - The Church of Satan

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