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Why did official membership appeal to you? #504337
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May I ask people to share why they decided to join the CoS? You were already living the lifestyle. What prompted you to go the next step, do the paperwork, and be an official member?

Did you need or appreciate the structure? Did it help you feel validated or less lonely in your personal choices? Is it simply nice to know that you belong somewhere, and with like-minded people?

Through time and consideration, I have accepted that I align with the lifestyle and personal opinions the CoS maintains. But as it does seem to be more of a lifestyle than anything else, I’m not sure why I should go through with the effort of officially “joining.”

I am going to live this lifestyle whether or not I officially belong to a group. So I would like to ask what is has done for you. What made you decide to go from living this way to officially aligning this way?

Thank you for reading and maybe sharing with me. This is my first post, so I apologize if this has been addressed. There is a lot of material to go through and I suppose I was hoping for a personal touch. At the mods, I'm sorry if I have made a repetitive post. Thanks again.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504339
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I can give you two reasons why I joined:

1)Out of respect for the man who codified Satanism and founded an organization that supports people who live by its tenets.

2)As a symbolic act representing my dedication to living by my true nature.

I would agree that, unless you feel a need or desire to join, you shouldn't.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: LowKey] #504340
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Thank you for your input! I appreciate various points of view.

I will continue to do my homework and do what feels right along the way. Should I feel compelled to officially join one day, then I will consider more thoroughly.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504341
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There are those on the inside and those on the outside.

If you are on the inside you get invitations to special events such as the Hellfire Caves Conclave outside of London or the 50th Anniversary celebration Conclaves in Washington DC and the Hudson Valley, and the 6/6/6 Conclave Satanic Mass held in Los Angeles.

If you are on the inside then you get to meet with other insiders.

Connections there can be satisfying and beneficial.

It is a choice and not a necessity but it remains a choice I have found to be very fulfilling.

Some of the most amazing people and events opened up to me as an insider.

I think that about sums it up.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Nemo] #504344
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Ah. The idea of a community was something I was hoping to find. My social life outside of work is lacking. It'd be nice to have friends for game nights or something. And I figure if I can find anyone via this outlet, surely we'll get along. I'll have to keep that in mind. Thank you!

A word of caution [Re: Dannie] #504345
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Originally Posted By: Dannie
Ah. The idea of a community was something I was hoping to find.


If your sole intention is social interaction, you'll be disappointed.

Satanism is a cabal of like-minded individuals, not a social group. Applying for membership doesn't guarantee that you'll meet other Satanists.

Sure, you might get invitations to certain events, such as the 6/6/6 and 50th Anniversary occasions that Magister Nemo mentioned, but those are few and far between.

Otherwise, simply affiliating does not guarantee that you will meet anyone in the organization.

Check out Magus Gilmore's Myth of the Satanic Community and Other Virtual Delusions in the FAQ for more information.

Oh, and check out the FAQ if you haven't already.

Re: A word of caution [Re: Citizen_Horror] #504346
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It's always seemed like more of an intellectual camaraderie anyways. You can't expect too much in the way of actual gatherings. It's more just... Knowing others out there think as you do.


"What is good? All that heightens the feeling of power... What is bad? All that is born of weakness. What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome."
Re: A word of caution [Re: Citizen_Horror] #504347
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Fortunately, the social aspect isn't a make or break it factor for me. Admittedly, I would have found it nice to have the occasional Satanic board game meet up, haha. But it's not what I'm here for.

Thank you very much for sharing the Myths link. Very entertaining and informative. It reminded me that what I've been learning thus far is that if I identify as Satanist, I should really be focusing on me, what I like, and what I'm interested in. And therefor, if I seek a social group, it should be based solely on those interests and not the fact that members may have Satanism in common. Many points in that read worth highlighting. Thanks!

I also need to accept that the reason I don't have a social group is because by the time I'm done with work, all I want to do is go home and rest. Hahaaa.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504349
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Quote:
Anyone who resists affiliation with the Church of Satan yet draws from it for any reason, personal or financial, is not independent, only parasitic. (Anton Szandor LaVey, "Get a Life.")


I strongly recommend reading the whole article here.

Re: A word of caution [Re: St. Lucifer] #504350
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I should add that it isn't just a matter of "Now I get invitations from the Church of Satan".

I have made lasting friendships with people all over the world.

Sometimes I visit them and sometimes they visit me too.

That's another part of being on the "inside".

Re: A word of caution [Re: Dannie] #504354
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Greetings, Dannie!

As I tell all newcomers to LttD you may also wish to join the unofficial Church of Satan group on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thechurchofsatan/

By all means I'm not trying to belittle the value of LttD, but unfortunately, activity on these forums has declined greatly in the last few years as Satanically inclined folks have migrated to FB. You are guaranteed much more interaction on the FB group than here on LttD.

Anyway, enjoy your study of Satanism! HS!


"The difference between the man or woman who's a practicing Satanist, from an identity Satanist is that the practicing Satanist looks at the picture, while the identity Satanist studies the frame."
-- Anton Szandor LaVey

"Anyone without a sense of humor is too pretentious to be a good magician."
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Re: A word of caution [Re: Dax9] #504355
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And I will add that if you tire of disjointed communications in social media structures like Facebook, the intelligent "connected conversations" of this message board format work much better.

Just a strong bias that I have in having tried both mediums.

To be elite is not merely to be with a crowd.

Often it is quite the opposite. wink

Re: A word of caution [Re: Nemo] #504356
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Frankly, I'm more active here than I have been on FB in the last few years.

In other news, I finally got my hands on a copy of The Satanic Scriptures! The Satanic Bible was a quick read due to a curious thirst. I'm glad this book seems to have more content, because I have plenty of questions. I'm aware that there are varying opinions on the content in TSS, but I'm hoping it'll address some of my more specific questions.

I really am trying to do my own research with official sources. I know asking people can get me opinions rather than facts, though you all seem good about linking to sources. c:

I initially asked for opinions on official membership. Membership will stay at the back of my mind until all my wonders and doubts have been addressed. Thank you, everyone!

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Trustworthy answers. [Re: Dannie] #504357
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Anytime you want authoritative answers about the Church of Satan just post your question in the "Questions about the Church of Satan" forum.

Only moderators and members of the Priesthood will answer there.

When you post questions here in "General Satanism Discussions" the replies can come from anyone and should not be assumed to be correct.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504452
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I was raised Catholic, but was always attracted to a "darker" side. The priest at our church had an intimate relationship with a woman. Made me question myself a whole lot. Was that the same guy that would tell me how to live my life, or come down on me for skipping mass?! After so many years of fighting within myself about where they think I should be, and where I think I should be, decided I'm going with where I think I should be. Day 1 for me on here. Looking forward to learning more.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504731
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For me, since I have not yet fully joined but plan on doing so, it's more of a commitment to myself to join and follow the 9 tenets and everything else outlined in the Satanic Bible. I've ran into a lot of hardships in my life, attempted suicide, self harm, addiction, all of which are against the teachings of LaVeyan Satanism. So since I'm already an atheist becoming a LaVeyan Satanist isn't a huge jump since I already have a lot of the same beliefs but will give me tenets and rules to follow so I can change my lifestyle for the better.


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Hail Satan!
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FYI: We in The Church of Satan don't use the term "LaVeyan Satanist" because we don't agree with the concept of denominational Satanism. Anton LaVey was the first to codify Satanism as a coherent philosophy and religion, so his creation is the only one that can rightfully be called Satanism. Any other so-called Satanism simply isn't.

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Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504826
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I grew up in a strong Catholic environment. I went to Catholic elementary and high school. I hated religion being forced into me. I was just Atheist for a while because I knew there was no supernatural beings or anything like that. I like metal music and heard that some of the musicians were satanists. Satanism always interested me. I looked into it and agreed with the Satanist mindset. I practiced rituals and read some Satanist literature in secret during high school. When I became 18, I became an official member. I became an official member because the Church of Satan means a lot to me.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Skulls7] #504830
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So since I'm already an atheist

Being an atheist is quite alright. Why can't you just be that?

becoming a LaVeyan Satanist isn't a huge jump

Oh really? Being a "LaVeyan Satanist" IS NOT a huge jump? What do you really KNOW about being a SATANIST? You obviously don't even understand the basic terminology … why should you understand the actual application?

since I already have a lot of the same beliefs

"Belief" is not a part of Satanic Philosophy. If you really were a Satanist, you would already know that.

but will give me tenets and rules to follow so I can change my lifestyle for the better.

You need a set of "rules" to guide you through life? Did Satan need a set of rules to guide HIM through life? Or did he create his own?

Have you even read the books? I would recommend that you do...and perhaps read them two or three or four times until they REALLY SINK IN.

I am constantly amazed and horrified at the general population's IGNORANCE of Satanism.

THE FIRST STEP TO BEING A SATANIST: Look in the fucking mirror and be COMPLETELY HONEST with yourself.
1- WHAT ARE YOU RIGHT NOW?
2- WHAT DO YOU WANT TO BE?
3- HOW CAN YOU BECOME WHAT YOU WANT TO BE?

The answer should be fucking obvious if you REALLY ARE a Satanist.

You have to take the reigns of your own life and make it into what you really want! Maybe "what you really want" isn't even Satanic!

Satanism is not here to TEACH you how to be happy with yourself ... you have to figure that out for yourself.

However...if you want to join a club, may I suggest "The Grand Infernal Army of Satan"? You get to go to wherever Baron Karza tells you to go and you get to do whatever Baron Karza tells you to do! I swear you'll find eternal bliss doing whatever I tell you to do! And, of course, SATAN will smile upon you and grant you whatever you want!



"You create your own. If you can't figure that one out, you're not much of a magician."

- Anton Szandor LaVey

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Please remember that the views of others expressed here do not necessarily reflect Satanism.

If you have questions about this religion and want authoritative answers from qualified members of the Church please use the Questions forum on this message board.

That said, I applaud your efforts to better understand Satanism. The founder of our church was quite clear in explaining that Satanism requires study.

You are not your behaviors, past, present, or future.

Identity is not utility.

But we can all learn from our past experiences to make better choices in the future.

Your future is a blank slate as yet unwritten.

Your choices make all the difference.

Happy studies to you!

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504832
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May I ask people to share why they decided to join the CoS? You were already living the lifestyle. What prompted you to go the next step, do the paperwork, and be an official member?

Because some of us believe in putting our money where our mouth is.
We don't need an organization to help us define ourselves, but we are smart enough to recognize an organization that DOES define ourselves, and we feel it is not a big deal to show that loyalty.

Did you need or appreciate the structure? Did it help you feel validated or less lonely in your personal choices? Is it simply nice to know that you belong somewhere, and with like-minded people?


To a Satanist, those questions are extremely insulting. WE DON'T NEED TO BELONG! If you want to belong to something, go join a cult. Satanism is an organization for non-joiners. Did you even read anything by Anton LaVey? or are you some jack-ass who thinks he knows all about Satanism because the Christians told you so?

Through time and consideration, I have accepted that I align with the lifestyle and personal opinions the CoS maintains. But as it does seem to be more of a lifestyle than anything else, I’m not sure why I should go through with the effort of officially “joining.”

Then don't. We do not need you. (But ask yourself: Do You need us? Why else would you post on our website?)

I am going to live this lifestyle whether or not I officially belong to a group. So I would like to ask what is has done for you. What made you decide to go from living this way to officially aligning this way?

You obviously don't get it - so go live your life the way you see fit and call it whatever you want.

Thank you for reading and maybe sharing with me. This is my first post, so I apologize if this has been addressed. There is a lot of material to go through and I suppose I was hoping for a personal touch. At the mods, I'm sorry if I have made a repetitive post. Thanks again.

You admit that you are too lazy to actually read the "lot of material to go through". You want an easy answer? Here it is: YOU ARE NOT A SATANIST. Now go live your life the best way you know how, and stop bugging us.



"You create your own. If you can't figure that one out, you're not much of a magician."

- Anton Szandor LaVey

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Baron Karza] #504834
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Originally Posted By: Baron Karza
May I ask people to share why they decided to join the CoS? You were already living the lifestyle. What prompted you to go the next step, do the paperwork, and be an official member?

Because some of us believe in putting our money where our mouth is.
We don't need an organization to help us define ourselves, but we are smart enough to recognize an organization that DOES define ourselves, and we feel it is not a big deal to show that loyalty.

Did you need or appreciate the structure? Did it help you feel validated or less lonely in your personal choices? Is it simply nice to know that you belong somewhere, and with like-minded people?


To a Satanist, those questions are extremely insulting. WE DON'T NEED TO BELONG! If you want to belong to something, go join a cult. Satanism is an organization for non-joiners. Did you even read anything by Anton LaVey? or are you some jack-ass who thinks he knows all about Satanism because the Christians told you so?

Through time and consideration, I have accepted that I align with the lifestyle and personal opinions the CoS maintains. But as it does seem to be more of a lifestyle than anything else, I’m not sure why I should go through with the effort of officially “joining.”

Then don't. We do not need you. (But ask yourself: Do You need us? Why else would you post on our website?)

I am going to live this lifestyle whether or not I officially belong to a group. So I would like to ask what is has done for you. What made you decide to go from living this way to officially aligning this way?

You obviously don't get it - so go live your life the way you see fit and call it whatever you want.

Thank you for reading and maybe sharing with me. This is my first post, so I apologize if this has been addressed. There is a lot of material to go through and I suppose I was hoping for a personal touch. At the mods, I'm sorry if I have made a repetitive post. Thanks again.

You admit that you are too lazy to actually read the "lot of material to go through". You want an easy answer? Here it is: YOU ARE NOT A SATANIST. Now go live your life the best way you know how, and stop bugging us.



As a general FYI to any who might be reading, Baron Karza's (incredibly rude) responses don't represent LttD or the CoS in any official capacity.

Re: Why did official membership appeal to you? [Re: Dannie] #504838
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Thank you for asking, I love to talk about myself!

I was a self-proclaimed Satanist for many years before I ever decided to get the "Red card".

I am not entirely sure when I decided: MONEY SUPPORTS MY INTERESTS.

But, I was willing to offer my services to the COS: lol, unfortunately my skills weren't in demand at the time!


"Iron rusts from disuse, water loses its purity and in cold weather becomes frozen; even so dose inaction sap the vigor of the mind" - Leonardo da Vinci
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