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#505633 - 03/04/18 10:37 PM Greater Magic and revenge
Catmother29 Offline

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Im new to this forum and I apologize if this has been asked already.

I am about half through The Satanic Bible. Maybe I will find the answer to my question as I keep reading.

It is my understanding that if somebody does something to you, then according to the bible, you have the right to get revenge on them through the use of Greater Magic or other means.

I also know the COS speaks against taking one against their will, such as a "love spell".

My question is, and I am well aware I might would get more than I am bargaining for here, but there is a guy I have been seeing off and on for 6 years. I love him and do not want to hurt him, but he has done me wrong. VERY very wrong and according to The Satanic Bible I have every right to get revenge. But again, I dont want to hurt him. I also know he will do me wrong again, when and if I give him half the chance. Although, he says he loves me, he has a sure funny way of showing it.

Would I be justified in using a love spell as my revenge in this case? Or am I thinking in the wrong direction?

#505634 - 03/05/18 03:54 AM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Catmother29]
LowKey Offline
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Greater Magic discussion is usually reserved for the CoS Members section of LttD but the short answer to your question is that only you can make that call. Personally, I'd remove the person from my life before taking any revenge. If you're still hung up on them, any harmful results to them will harm you as well.

#505696 - 03/19/18 03:52 PM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Catmother29]
IncurablyCurious Offline

Registered: 12/31/13
Posts: 35
Originally Posted By: Catmother29
I love him and I don't want to hurt him

Dear lady,

I will stay away from discussing the nuts and bolts of greater magic in detail as it is frowned upon by the COS members here. However, there is some general advice I feel I can offer, since you asked.

The Satanic Bible admonishes those who would practice greater magic at many points and I implore you to read it all, and take heed of the warnings about using the "wrong" type of ritual for the situation, as well as the warnings about each type of ritual.

The corollary to that is that before calling upon magic, it is necessary to have awareness of your situation and of how exactly you want it to change. (This is true not just for magic, too).

You plainly say that you don't want to hurt him, and you also state you want revenge. I would thoroughly explore the reasons behind this contrast before making any decision.

So, it is up to you. But I would advise you to be overwhelmingly certain of what it is you wish to achieve before calling upon magic -- greater or lesser -- to do so.

Or to quote Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland:

"Would you tell me, please, which way I ought to go from here?"
"That depends a good deal on where you want to get to," said the Cat.
"I don't much care where—" said Alice.
"Then it doesn't matter which way you go," said the Cat.
"—so long as I get SOMEWHERE," Alice added as an explanation.
"Oh, you're sure to do that," said the Cat, "if you only walk long enough."

#505697 - 03/19/18 10:25 PM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Catmother29]
Drake_Bamboozle Offline
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As has already been said, there is a forum in the member's area for this topic and we prefer to keep discussions on the topic there.

However, I will say yes, you are within your right to use magic if you think it will help you. But the question from an objective viewpoint would be why would you want such a person in your life.

It's not a unique situation and we've all made such errors of judgement in our lives at some point. But there is so much more available to you, and magic is at your disposal for that, too.

Of course, there is no substitute for affirmative action.
Human beings are as significant as a cigarette burn in the sun.

#505764 - 04/02/18 01:41 PM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Kronos75]
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#505768 - 04/02/18 02:02 PM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Kronos75]
Nemo Offline
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i should mention that i don't say definitively that 'magic is not real'... that wouldn't be fair or open-minded.

Then you might prefer viewing his current overview of his latest book Real Magic.

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Available April 10, 2018

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#505818 - 04/04/18 11:41 AM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Kronos75]
Nemo Offline
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in either case, there really isn't anything 'para' normal going on, unless by that we only mean unusual.

This is, in part, why Radin entitled his last popular book "Supernormal".

who was it that said magic is just not yet understood science? forget who it was, but that would be true.

I usually think of Clarke's Third Law : "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."

#505862 - 04/08/18 07:43 PM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Catmother29]
Xxpaul Offline

Registered: 10/25/17
Posts: 9
Loc: Utah
I believe you're thinking in the wrong direction. I think focusing your energy on self-mastery, and ceasing to "love" people that intentionally treat you poorly will serve you better, and for longer.

#505933 - 04/19/18 09:52 PM Re: Greater Magic and revenge [Re: Xxpaul]
RussTheArtist Offline

Registered: 10/26/16
Posts: 93
Loc: North Carolina
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, not love wasted on ingrates.

Personally, I can't stand hypocrisy. If he says he loves you and hurts you, and especially if you know he will again, separate yourself from him indefinitely. If you still feel you want revenge, I don't condone vandalism or destruction of others' property, but I'm in no position to stop you.

Like someone mentioned before, affirmative action is the best course. I don't want to fall out of any good graces with any CoS members by discussing magic anymore than I already have this week, so I'll just say I'm not entirely positive that's your best route.


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