#52182 - 08/09/04 06:57 AM
Re: Acheiving self actualization through satanism
[Re: logan]
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You needed a theory to know it is important to be yourself in all your glory? Sheesh man, where have you been?
Also, just who are you trying to impress with your "Magical" knowledge?
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#52184 - 08/09/04 03:24 PM
What Maslow was talking about...
[Re: logan]
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Maslow's hierarchy of needs was an alternative to the depressing determinism of Freud and Skinner. He felt that people are basically trustworthy, self-protecting, and self-governing. Humans tend toward growth and love. Although there is a continuous cycle of human wars, murder, deceit, etc., he believed that violence is not what human nature is meant to be like. Violence and other evils occur when human needs are thwarted. In other words, people who are deprived of lower needs such as safety may defend themselves by violent means. He did not believe that humans are violent because they enjoy violence. Or that they lie, cheat, and steal because they enjoy doing it.
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Somehow I don't think Dr. LaVey would have agreed with this. 
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#52187 - 08/18/04 05:23 PM
Re: Acheiving self actualization through satanism
[Re: logan]
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Registered: 02/08/02
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I'm not sure how well that comes together, as an awful lot of folks over the years have talked up a storm about 'knowing oneself' being an all-important goal in life. And as Nemo points out, Maslow had a lot of funny things to say about human beings not being driven by violent or aggressive urges but rather acting in a particular matter as a result of 'unfulfilled needs.' A possibly more significant link to consider between Maslow's views and those of Anton LaVey might be the refutation of ascetic religious practices implied by Maslow's viewpoint. While I can't endorse that mumbo-jumbo about people being inherently peace-loving and trustworthy, Maslow does have a point when he mentions that lower needs must be fulfilled on a basic level before higher ones can be considered (i.e., one does not worry about where to find a party over the weekend when one is starving). Going by Maslow's hierarchy, true fulfillment can only follow, not precede, a basic satisfaction of carnal needs. The ideology of religious asceticism says that people attain spiritual states by denying the flesh through fasting, sexual abstinance, etc. One of LaVey's points, aimed both at religious ascetics and new-age granola nuts, was that the Satanist experiences fulfillment through the satisfaction of carnal needs. I had been hoping this point would be brought up, as I thought it an interesting connection, but once again...  By the way, "I" before "E" except after "C"...
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