A friend of mine who is of Native American descent read the Satanic Bible and agreed with the philosophy. I asked if he was a naturally born Satanist. He felt he was a Satanic Shaman. I’ve been told by Wiccans that they were like the Shaman so I thought this a contradiction. He said the “Great Spirit” was not a deity but a force of nature, described in Satanism. I’m not sure if this is Satanically accurate. I’m just wondering if “Satanic Shaman” is an accurate description. Just like if “Satanic Agnostic” was. Any comments?

I fail to see the problem with this.

I agree with reprobate, and in addition, I'll point out an obvious link that seems somewhat relevant:

http://www.satanicapache.com/

Rev. Leyba's been drawing on his heritage and combining Native American ideas with Satanism for years.

'Shaman' is a word used loosely these days. To me it conjures up stinking San Francisco hippies who mix bong hits with shrooms and like to bang on drums a lot. This is, of course, not really Shamanism proper, and it's certainly not compatible with Satanism.

I thought Shamans, often times, used controlled substances to ascend to other plains. Maybe not that exactly but I was reading about shamanism not too long ago and I got the impression that that wasn't particularly uncommon.

"I thought Shamans, often times, used controlled substances to ascend to other plains."

If by plains you meant "planes of mental conciousness", I'd have to agree and disagree. I disagree on the use of "Planes of mental conciousness". It sounds like some crap a burnout in Sedona, or Terrence McKenna, would pull out of his ass. I keep asking myself the question: Just what is it going to take to prove to people that reality is real and it exists?

Use of such things as psilocybe(sic) and Peyote cactus were, common yes. But using such a substance usually renders you at the mercy of the affects the substance is having upon your perceptions.

Ie, fucking with your brain chemistry is usually a bad idea.

What I know about Native American Shaman is that they use weeds, bark, nuts, berries, herbs etc. for the healing of their fellow humans. Just like the Witch Doctor they use all natural things that grow including things like opium, Marijuana, shroones etc. for medicine and for spiritual enlightenment. They don't use all of these things as the herd does but instead they use them in different ways Like burning the leaves like an inscent, or in a tea, or by chewing. However the chiefs are handed the peace pipe to smoke and in it is a blend of various things and when they are done everyone is peaceful and too messed up to fight.

Being an herbalist my self I use natural things like Red Clover. This is like an opiate if you chew the leaves it will stop a tooth ache or any other aches and pains one might have. Dry and use the flower bud in a tea and you have a nice relaxing sleepy time tea. There are many weeds that grow naturally along the road ways of America and some can be found right in our back yards.

Can they be Satanic? I would have to say yes because they can use these same herbal remedies to mess someone up pretty bad or even kill with no after residue that could be found. They do forsee the future sometimes in the smoke they make in fire and they can read tea leaves etc. Just like a lot of witches can. Unlike the Witch Doctors of ole they don't harm animals unless they utilize the whole of the animal and they never harm Children because they are the future of the tribe. Hope this helps

I believe each persons "reality" is created by their personal perceptions of the world. We create our own reality by the way we perceive the greater whole. My reality may be very different from someone elses(and believe me it is very different) yet it is the same world we all live in and see.

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But one has to ask, is our own personal reality founded on awareness and accurate observation of the wider world, or just a closed "box" constructed from long held assumptions and presumptions?

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On an individual basis, one can usually find both of your options. There are those who will see reality for what it is, but in the same breath will not have the experience to know the reality of all things. For instance, I've never been to Rome so I do not know of the lifestyles of its denizens. I can surmise through the experience I've had in traveling abroad that it is not much different from the States as far as human interaction would go. Humans will always be what they are regardless of nationality, but until I experience it I will not know

It is what separates those who "live" and those who only exist. Reality will happen regardless, bill collectors will come, food will always be an issue, the car will break down, people will die. If the neo-lunatic who speaks in tounges to the Great Beast of Blah forgets to pay his electric bill and his lights go out, so be it. If he spends all of his money on transendental plaques made from Egyptian gold and starves to death as a result, good riddance.

Responsibility to the responsible.

That is a problem with the herdlings, they can't seem to think "outside the box".