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#67218 - 12/06/04 03:06 AM Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag
Mekhet Offline


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Magister Ventrue, Why did you attach a Baphomet to a Nazi-Germany Flag and placed it on the Message Board?

Is it a parody of some sort? Or have I misunderstood the origin and orientation of the background?
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#67219 - 12/06/04 06:08 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Mekhet]
Svengali Offline
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That is a pretty far-fetched interpretation.

It is a circle with intersecting lines.

Just because the Nazis had something similar does that mean no one can ever use a circle with intersecting lines again?

The Nazis also used buildings with four walls and a roof, I suppose it is Nazi-like to use anything similar?

Don't be so eager to feel like a victim.
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#67220 - 12/06/04 06:13 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Svengali]
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Don't wear a Charlie Chaplin moustache though. Someone may get the wrong idea.
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#67221 - 12/06/04 06:19 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Mekhet]
Quaark Offline

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Registered: 08/22/03
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Actually, (and I'm serious here), it resembles the Zuni Indian sun symbol more than anything I'm aware of.

It's used on the New Mexico state flag, seen below.

In Zuni mythology, each of the four groups of four lines represents four things each.

The four directions - north, east, south and west.
The four seasons - spring, summer, fall and winter.
The day - sunrise, noon, evening and night.
Life - childhood, youth, middle years and old age.

Each of these Zuni symbolisms represents something actual rather than spiritual. No problemo.

It's a beautiful graphic with "Satanically wholesome" implications (for me) and I compliment Magister Ventrue on his impeccable good taste.


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#67222 - 12/06/04 10:10 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Mekhet]
ChrisRedstar Offline
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What you are refering to is not a nazi symbol.
It is the symbol of the German airforce since 1914 c.e. and it is still today. During the 3.Reich, it was around the swastika and therefore shaped like a circle. Before and after that, it was around the German/Germanian Cross.
And still today you can see it on German Airforce planes. See pic attached....A German Tornado Radar Jammer

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#67223 - 12/06/04 10:37 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Mekhet]
Magister Frost Offline

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As everyone here has stated ... the "symbol" has been used through-out history and not by just one "political" movement. The Nazi Party made it "popular" and highly recognized but by no means own the symbol. The symbol is Aesthetically pleasing to the eye (at least my eyes) and I felt it would be nice to spice up the standard Lttd Logo. Take from it what you will but I in no way would be insulted by it being called a "Nazi" looking symbol, those Nazis sure were a bunch of snappy dressers!

And as I have told everyone and as everyone knows .. I am against all forms of Politics .... I vote for no one and I follow no politically party. Nazis, Commies, Democrates .... they all have there place but their view points have no place in my life.


Edited by Magister_Ventrue (12/06/04 10:40 PM)

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#67224 - 12/07/04 05:09 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Magister Frost]
Gone again Offline


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Then again if you want to attract a bunch of skinhead neo-nazi's to the board, stick a swastika (reversed) on the site somewhere and tell 'em it is The Sun Wheel and voila! Within a short matter of time you will hear the thud of Doctor Martin boots as they join the site.

Whether they can actually read what's on it is a different matter! Most of them have a vocabulary that is somewhere between 10 and 20 words.
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#67225 - 12/07/04 08:35 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Gone again]
Magister_Lang Offline

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"Then again if you want to attract a bunch of skinhead neo-nazi's to the board, stick a swastika (reversed) on the site somewhere and tell 'em it is The Sun Wheel and voila! Within a short matter of time you will hear the thud of Doctor Martin boots as they join the site."

I don't think you would have to reverse the swastika
symbol. Most don't even know that it is reversed. I think they would have problems getting past the "S" word if they ever came here.

"Whether they can actually read what's on it is a different matter! Most of them have a vocabulary that is somewhere between 10 and 20 words."

They will be very easy to spot then won't they. Really though, racists usually blow it here as soon as they post something and not all racists show up under the banner of Nazi. Moderators here deal with these folks very effectively
so we don't need to be very PC about imagery here. I'm not afraid of using a Baphomet so why worry about a Germanic looking cross. People have to get over their hang-ups about such things. This is an important part of what makes us Satanists.

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Edited by Magister_Lang (12/08/04 09:22 AM)
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"Magic is a tool and is essentially useless unless it can serve you here and now! Anything else is simply an act in faith and an excuse for failure in the here and now." XLVI A.S. R. Lang

"Chaos is a creation of mankind and does not exist within the uncompromising fascism of natures laws! Everything has order." XLVI A.S R. Lang

"To believe in Chaos one must believe that their is some kind of God who all of a sudden put everything into order! That!, I cannot relate too..."
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#67226 - 12/08/04 10:00 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Mekhet]
Mars Offline
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The Nazi stuff didn’t come to my mind until someone mentioned it. My first impression was a “cross hair.” Like looking through a scope and the focal point was the Baphomet. To me it was saying, “This is the target, this is the goal."


Edited by Mars (12/08/04 10:01 PM)
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#67227 - 12/08/04 10:11 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Mars]
Magister_Lang Offline

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You've got the picture. It is the focal point, your hopes, your goals etc.... As for the Baphomet however "you" are already there.
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#67228 - 12/09/04 09:50 PM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Magister_Lang]
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Magical Misterioso Magister_Lang, and is that Baphomet cuff links I detect shining through your avatar! And can you direct me to the vendor. HAIL SATAN!
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#67229 - 12/10/04 05:20 AM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Magister_Lang]
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The new logo has only been up for a number of days and already the Neo-Nazi's are crawling out of the woodwork...

How depressing. I would like to be wrong about these things some day.

Some day...
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#67230 - 12/10/04 05:49 AM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Gone again]
MagisterRose Offline
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Quote:

The new logo has only been up for a number of days and already the Neo-Nazi's are crawling out of the woodwork...

How depressing. I would like to be wrong about these things some day.

Some day...




Try to tone down the smugness or you'll be riding Magister Ventrue's boot out the door again.

We who have been here for a while know that Nazi jackasses are a part of life. They show up- they get kicked out.

Your posts demonstrate that your grasp of Satanic principles is not quite as firm as you think. We don't need lectures from you on how to run the CoS. Magister Ventrue doesn't need lectures on how to run his board. We have all managed quite well without you for years.
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#67231 - 12/10/04 10:45 AM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Gone again]
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"I would like to be wrong about these things some day."

You are again today. Congratulations.

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#67232 - 12/10/04 10:49 AM Re: Question concerning the new Baphomet-Flag [Re: Danny Mc.]
Magister_Lang Offline

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Those are black onyx cuff links set in silver.
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“The world, like a wolf pack is not all the licking of pups and howls by the moonlight. Sometimes there just needs to be a gnashing of teeth and a ripping of flesh to put things back into the natural order of things.”

XLII A.S.

"Magic is a tool and is essentially useless unless it can serve you here and now! Anything else is simply an act in faith and an excuse for failure in the here and now." XLVI A.S. R. Lang

"Chaos is a creation of mankind and does not exist within the uncompromising fascism of natures laws! Everything has order." XLVI A.S R. Lang

"To believe in Chaos one must believe that their is some kind of God who all of a sudden put everything into order! That!, I cannot relate too..."
R. Lang XLVI A.S.

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