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#69008 - 12/16/04 11:19 PM Your subconscious Guardian Devil...
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I guess it happens to everyone. You have a sudden intuition about doing something that seems pointless at the moment. You follow your instinct and do it… just to find, if you haven’t done it, the consequences would have been painful, or worse.

Some times, this sudden moment of inspiration saves your life. My grandma would have said that my “guardian angel” had whispered in my ear. Personally, I think it’s my survival instinct, always working even when my conscious mind is not aware of it. I’m into a dangerous situation but I don’t know… but deep inside my brain some little red light turns on and makes me react.

A real life example:

I’m driving in the expressway behind a big truck full of junk. Suddenly I get this urge to change lines. The same second I move out of the way, a big piece of metal flies from the truck and crashes on the road behind it. Considering the speed and angle of the fall, it would have crash on my windshield and probably cut my head off if I had remained on the spot.

Is this life-saving reflex sharper in Satanists? I’d like to hear other’s personal experiences.
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#69009 - 12/16/04 11:36 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Is this life-saving reflex sharper in Satanists?


Nah, we just have common sense.
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#69010 - 12/16/04 11:45 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: PanzerWolf]
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Is this life-saving reflex sharper in Satanists?


Nah, we just have common sense.




Yes, of course. But some times the danger is not obvious and you still do the right thing in a split second.
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#69011 - 12/17/04 08:15 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Sounds like an excellent subject for discussion downstairs.

Are we ever going to have Pig A L'Orange?

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#69012 - 12/17/04 08:27 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Sure, lots of experiences.

For example:
One day I was on the way from the hotel to the inner City of Amsterdam, per pedes. The walk was about half an hour. During the walk I stopped by in some shops, bought some goddies. After I left the first shop I recognized 2 male and 1 female junkies. On the following way I got the impression that they follow me. Maybe they spotted me out because of my laptop case. But I wasn't sure. I tested it by pretending to walk in a Supermarket, in fact I circled around the marked. And voilá: 10 minutes later dick trick and track walked out of the main entrance, I stood at the side and said something like 'howdy' to them, keeping distance and proceeding my walk. They were some kind of baffeled. A girfriend was with me, she noticed nothing. I said her that we are followed, but she first realized it at the super market entrance.

I think it is instinct that You are talking of.

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#69013 - 12/17/04 08:43 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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In 1999 I was living in Kennington, London (it's half way between the Oval and Brixton). Anyway, our nearest supermarket was in Brixton. My flatmates and I had planned to go shopping on April 17th but 5 mins before we were due to leave I decided I wasn't going (I can't remember why now). As I wasn't going, they didn't go. If we had left we would have been walking past Brixton Tube when the nail bomb went off and may well have been killed.

That one scared me!
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#69014 - 12/17/04 09:31 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I don't believe it's a live-saving reflex or instinct, since it happens all the time without us noticing.

One day, I came home and decided to take a stroll downtown which is uncommon for me. Some days earlier I had seen an old photo of something that is nowadays hard to get. No special direction set I felt drawn to a little antiquity store I had been to only once before, it must have been a year. I found exactly what I was looking for at a reasonable price.

I believe, that every human can have absolut knowledge of all things past, present and future since each of us is containing the infinity of things. If that's too tall an order, I'm at least definite, that we do not possess individual minds.


Edited by Quija (12/17/04 09:34 AM)

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#69015 - 12/17/04 11:01 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I drive a lot for my job, about 200 to 300 miles a day, and have had many similar experiences! I think, as you hinted, your subconscious sees the danger signs before you've even noticed and you find yourself taking avoiding action!
It's all part of being aware of your surroundings. You can 'sense' danger, 'feel' when something is wrong! It's one of the advantages of having a sharp mind, which is one of the attributes of a Satanist! You are your own Guardian Devil!

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#69016 - 12/17/04 11:53 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Nothing like that has happened to me but I heard the creator of Family guy was supposed to be on one of the 9/11 planes but forgot something and missed his plane
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#69017 - 12/17/04 12:20 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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When we are in situations were the danger or chance of an accident is evident, our senses do more than we know. Wiether it is driving, riding a bike, playing basketball, boxing etc, a kind of sixth sense comes into play.

This sense never can tell you what is wrong only that SOMETHING is not right. The danger may not be evident. However it is your conscious self that decides weither to act or not. Choosing to, or not to take action correctly IS common sense.
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#69018 - 12/17/04 05:24 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Is this life-saving reflex sharper in Satanists? I’d like to hear other’s personal experiences.




I would say that intelligence is higher in Satanists more than any intuition, or reflex. Changing lanes from behind a truck full of junk is just a smart thing to do. It is just like moving to the left lane when traffic is merging from the right, which lessens your chances of a collision.

I did something similar to the story you related, and a few seconds later another driver made a turn directly in my path and we collided. I was driving my wife's brand new car, bought three weeks earlier, too. Bonus!
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#69019 - 12/18/04 12:12 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I believe that this subconscious value surfacing to the conscious may be a more aware situation for a satanist since most do not have any outside "moral" influence.

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#69020 - 12/18/04 01:01 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I totally agree with you that it is the survival instinct and not some so called "guardian Angel" as your grandma would put it. I think that it is ludicrous when people have these experiences then put it down to some protective being they cant see guiding them. I have had people tell me that it is their "guardian Angel" looking after them because "God" made them more important over all other animals and wants to protect them.
These same people failed to realise that animals that their so called "God" created beneath them seem to have more of these type experiences than do humans. They seem to have a more active and protective guardian Devil.
The reason being because it is nothing more than the survival instinct kicking in. Females have greater guardian Devil occurrences, and this is further emphasised if they are mothers. Satanists too have greater degree of experiences simply because we apply the 'Law of the Jungle' to our everyday living, and dont rely on some outside being to be our guiding force in life that we know doesnt exist. I, myself have had numerous exeriences.
If people can have their 'whole life' flash before them in situations whereby they are facing death, then surely it stands to reason that the human brain can analyse information in a split second without the conscious mind being aware of it. It is the minds ability to determine what factors would interfere with the process of passing our genes on to the next generation.
A perfect example and explanation of this is the human nervous system in regards to pain. When someone injures themselves, the process of the action of the injury to that of reaction takes less than one second, despite all the information that the brain is processing. Without this ability for the mind to do this humans would have very little in the way of protecting them from danger.
Some time back I watched a documentary about a young boy six years old, who was born without the ability to feel pain as his brain could not process the information needed to analyse it. This child was oblivious to the dangers of things such as the hotplate of a barbeque. As I watched and viewed other older people with this extremely rare syndrome, I realised that not one of them had ever had a 'guardian Devil' experience. This was actually brought up in the documentary as it was assumed that these people must have something watching over them for them to survive.

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#69021 - 12/18/04 06:31 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Though I do follow my instinct, and count on it when reason seems to have no input in a given situation, I couldn't tell when it actually saved me from serious damage, as the possibility was turned by my moving out. I do know, however, about incidents when I _neglected_ the warning and did get caught in hazardous situations. That's why I haven't neglected such warnings for years.

My most sure example of avoiding hazard has been in the middle of the woods, some years ago. I was walking with my German Shepherd and we saw this man standing there on the middle of the path, facing us. I seldom encounter people in the middle of the woods and I don't expect to encounter idiots there at all, since the chance of meeting one woman alone there is way less than finding one at the corner of some city street at an odd time of the night [I did encounter ill-willing idiots in the latter situation, but when it happens, they seem relieved to get away _from me_ every single time] - so, why would one lurk behind a tree anyways. This man was just standing there, but from a fair distance my neckhair rose, he didn't _feel_ good, he didn't _feel_ like just-a-dude to pass by. My dog was hesistating as well. Though it was a 45-minutes turn back, I turned back instead of passing by.

So - maybe the feeling was wrong and I could have saved myself the trouble. But my 40-years experience tells me I did the wise thing.
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#69022 - 12/20/04 12:22 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I think near misses and coincidences are just inevitable parts of life. But it's also natural that people attach certain amounts of significance to rare events. The mind abhors meaninglessness, and humans are hopeless pattern-seekers. For example, there's a scene in About Schmidt, where Schmidt is mourning the loss of his recently departed wife, and looks up into the night sky asking for "a sign". He briefly sees a shooting star. Some people would say "Oh, that's a sign from God" or that it was "proof of life beyond the grave", but we'd laugh at that and see it as a mere coincidence happening to somebody desperately looking for anything.

As a Satanist, I suppose I take a "Satanic Third Side" to this issue. I acknowledge the fact that spirituality is essentially the act of attaching significance to otherwise meaningless situations. But at the same time, I don't make some point in refuting all symbolism or poetic expression I see as I experience life. It keeps things fun.
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#69023 - 12/20/04 02:34 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Yes, I think Satanists are much more attuned to what is going on around them and are more open to their psychic abilities. I've found that my sense of premonition to danger has been greatly enhanced by practicing Anton LaVey's teachings. I can also physically feel it when someone is cursing me or directing negative energies toward me. This gives me an edge to both protect myself, and counter-attack. When in the presence of danger, I feel a definite change in thought patterns and body chemistry. I've had many close calls, but I'm still in one piece, thanks to my instinctual actions.

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#69024 - 12/20/04 03:28 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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Is this life-saving reflex sharper in Satanists? I’d like to hear other’s personal experiences.




I don´t think it´s any better with satanists. All it requires is a certain memory of similar happenings. Even from a movie. Mind (subconciousness) is capable in remembering things that we would not otherwise remember and noticing lackings and other "oddness". Like a firechief, who doenst know what it is, but something tells him to pull his men out of the building and seconds later the building explodes. Now, his subconciousness remembers and notices things, that he doesnt. Like, missing of smoke or that the smoke goes into wrong direction. The fire is not pushing the air, but sucking it inside and such. His mind knows what is happening and combines memories of other fires and studies. Deep in his mind there is a part, that then knows, that the building will go boom boom.

Maybe you remembered the highway accident from Final Destination 2 and changed the lane, or there was some straps loose, that you didn´t pay attention, but your subconsiousness did.
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#69025 - 12/20/04 09:51 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Paingod]
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Maybe you remembered the highway accident from Final Destination 2 and changed the lane, or there was some straps loose, that you didn´t pay attention, but your subconsiousness did.




Actually, that happened before that movie was out. But maybe I remebered the scene from "The Omen" with the pane of glass....
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#69026 - 12/21/04 01:28 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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>>Some times, this sudden moment of inspiration saves your life. My grandma would have said that my “guardian angel” had whispered in my ear. Personally, I think it’s my survival instinct, always working even when my conscious mind is not aware of it. I’m into a dangerous situation but I don’t know… but deep inside my brain some little red light turns on and makes me react.<<

Indeed, Mr. Pig.

You might be interested in an essay of mine which will be in the upcoming issue of The Church of Satan's Black Flame magazine regarding this very subject.
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#69027 - 12/21/04 01:33 AM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Drake_Bamboozle]
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You might be interested in an essay of mine which will be in the upcoming issue of The Church of Satan's Black Flame magazine regarding this very subject.




I'm looking forward to read it!
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#69028 - 12/21/04 12:04 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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It's pure instinct, something people have forget over time because they were taught that man is better then the animals and is above something as 'primal' as instinct.
Animals can feel earthquakes before they happen and are known for 'foretelling' other things as well.
It's nothing mystic it's just pure instinct really.

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#69029 - 12/21/04 02:04 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Grima]
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I'm glad you brought this up. A well respected german parapsychologist devoted a whole chapter of a book to psi with animals. In his hometown, Freiburg, there is a monument for a duck, that warned inhabitants of a bombing, thus saving many humans. Unfortunately the duck was killed.

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#69030 - 12/21/04 02:54 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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As has been mentioned and seconded many a time, I agree that it's a strong case of intuition. I don't know definitively that it's stronger in Satanists, but it seems like it should be. We leave the door open for those kinds of things. I've learned, through various experiences, that I'm not completely in tune with my intuition. I get the bad feeling but fail to interpret it correctly.

At any rate, reading this post reminded me of a study I once read and once I find the source I'll ammend this entry. A study was done on plane crashes. It was found that the number of no-shows and cancellations for planes that crashed was double the number on flights which ended routinely.

So why did these people cancel? The hypothesis was that many people will cancel a flight at the last minute, or just not show up, due to illness (either of themselves or a loved one). They may also cancel at the last minute due to the pleading of somebody who is more in tune with their intuition.

Anyway, going back to the first reason: illness. Think about it, the intuition of the person is screaming for them to not get on the plane. The person is completely out of tune, but considering the levity of the situation the sixth sense or intuition or whatever you want to call it literally makes the person sick trying to get his or her attention. So he gets sick and cancels or doesn't show for the flight. The other guy, sitting on the plane as it crashes, took an aspirin.

Anyway, just a thought. However, ever since I read this study I've not taken any medication unless I could specifically identify the cause for the pain and I just needed relief. It's the pain without cause that alerts my senses. I can't say that it's saved me, but I'm still here
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#69031 - 12/21/04 03:06 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Quija]
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Let me guess the parapsychologist:
Hans Bender (February, 5'th 1907 - May, 7'th 1991) born in Freiburg (Breisgau). Professor at the University of Freiburg. One of germany's leading Parapsychologists. Chairman of the Institute for border areas of psychology and psychohygenics till 1975, now Prof.Dr. Johannes Mischo. The institute is financed by a private fund, and is still alive an kickin!

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#69032 - 12/21/04 03:13 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: SubOptimo]
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We have a winner!


Edited by Quija (12/21/04 04:04 PM)

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#69033 - 12/21/04 05:57 PM To the few interested.... [Re: Quija]
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The Hans Bender Institute in Freiburg (Germany) is hosting an interesting eZine for paranormal issues:

http://www.mindmatter.de

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#69034 - 12/21/04 11:59 PM Re: http://www.mindmatter.de [Re: SubOptimo]
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Thank you.

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#69035 - 12/22/04 08:34 PM Re: Your subconscious Guardian Devil... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I agree with Bill M that, "near misses and coincidences are just inevitable parts of life", and "humans are hopeless pattern-seekers" and therefore I try not to read more into my two experiences than there may actually be.
I was first in line waiting to board a bus and as the door opened and I started to step up, I felt a strong negative feeling. Instinctively, I backed out and stood aside, my action not even making sense to me. I am a logical person, but against all logical reason I watched the doors close and the bus pull out. As I settled down to wait for the next one, there was a violent explosion. A terrorist on the bus I hadn't boarded had blown himself up, killing and injuring several people. If the murderer had been in the crowd amongst us, I could agree that maybe I was picking up subconscious signals, but he had already been on the bus.
The second time a friend and I were shopping and decided to go to a coffee-shop. Most public places where I live have security guards screening the people and their bags before they're allowed to enter and most of us feel secure enough with this. After we entered and sat down, I felt extremely uncomforable and convinced my friend to go elsewhere. I was fine at the next place and we ate and resumed shopping. It was at the mall we discovered that a terrorist had tried to enter the first coffee-shop we'd been at about 20-25 minutes after we'd left, panicked, and exploded himself, killing the guard and injuring several people. In this instance, the terrorist had not yet arrived when I'd felt the compulsion to leave.
Those are the facts and I try not to read too much into it. This has happened twice but I don't feel like I'm being stalked by death as in the movie, "Final Destination". If it should happen again, I will definitely trust my instincts, but in these cases there were no chances for exterior cues - in one the murderer was already inside and he probably was exuding negative energy, in the other he had not yet arrived.
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#69036 - 12/22/04 10:04 PM mind your spaghetti head... [Re: Old_Pig]
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I think that everyone has the capability...even animals. I think it depends on whether the individual recognizes, accepts and trusts that gut-level instinct.

Could it be that our thoughts are transcending time and space by sending information of "future" events to our "present" mind? Are we some how connected to a vast network of knowledge that we have yet to understand, inwhich it encompasses all things? Perhaps...perhaps not. Just some weird thoughts.
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