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#74918 - 01/23/05 05:43 AM shopping
Zink Offline
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Registered: 07/27/04
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Loc: the low countries
Yesterday I went shopping for a new mattress.
Quite ordinary and not worth mentioning? Maybe, but I did learn a thing or two and would like some advise.

The first store I went to was an expensive one, but advertises with great quality and specialised advice. So when asked what I wanted I returned the question with Ďwhat can you recommend me?í
The shopkeeper started naming all the models she had: this is our 4000X and has hardened springs and costs xxx, this is model 5800 and is made of perforated latex and costs xxx.
When I asked her for more details she looked at me as though I had asked a very silly question and said: perforated means with holes in.

I know you canít expect more out of some people, but I lost my patience, got (nearly) angry with her and was upset and distracted for some hours. And I didnít get a mattress or any advice.
My friend told me that lesser magic was clearly not my strongest asset.

So, maybe I can get some advice here (on lesser magic, not mattresses)?


In the next store I came up with a nice idea on making my own artificial humanoid companion.
Although Ďhumanoidí is not exactly correct. Iím not sure the result will have a lot of recognizable human features. But thatís not really important to me. It will have what I want. Iíll let you know how my project works out.

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#74919 - 01/23/05 09:44 AM Re: shopping [Re: Zink]
loki869 Offline


Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 219
Loc: NJ
Don't let her get to you. She's stupid and you aren't simple as that. Might i remind you that she bases her entire living on working at a matress store, so when someone like that gives you more shit you can just remind yourself that they aren't worth a damn. They can hardly scrape together 10 grand a year.

I can't really help you with the lesser magic. Maybe a higher ranking satanist will give ya some advice.....maybe.

Keep your chin up. People like that are deffinately not worth your time. Funny how people that work at low end jobs and have low shitty wages feel that they have the right to give innocent people like you attitude. tsk tsk.

Ave Satanas!

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#74920 - 01/23/05 09:48 AM Re: shopping [Re: Zink]
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Registered: 12/11/04
Posts: 392
For a good mattress, I would have to recommend the Englander Tension Ease 1180 EF. Quite firm, but if you want it soft, they'll get a bunch of Mexicans at the factory to jump up and down on it for a few weeks until it's soft enough for you.

As far as Lesser Magic goes... can't really help you there. Either you have the knack for it, or you don't.

You can always hone your skills with a mirror and a tape recorder. Practice friendly facial expressions and gestures in the mirror. Practice saying certain things. Perhaps a grimace and your speech patterns hinder you. Also, when you meet someone for the first time, think about what it is that they do to make you feel at ease with them. Why do you feel that way and how could doing something similar appeal to all people you meet?

There is no manual called "How to Have Personality", and one thing Lesser Magic requires is personality.
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#74921 - 01/23/05 10:41 AM vocations and values [Re: loki869]
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Registered: 12/11/04
Posts: 392
Oh look! A rabbit trail! Let's see where it goes!

I hardly see what working in a Mattress store has to do with how intelligent a person is. Are you implying that a Satanist could not stoop to have a job in a bedding and mattress store? A person is not defined by their vocation. Many people in the herd upon meeting someone ask, "What do you do?", which implies, "How much more or less valuable are you compared to me?" Like the line in the movie Fight Club, "You aren't yer fuckin' khakis!"

In college, I was working towards acheiving a degree in Journalism and English so that I could have a fancy high paying job. When I realized how miserable I'd be working until my eyes were bleeding behind a desk and in front of a computer screen, I said "to Hell with this!". Now I'm a pipefitter/welder. Being basically a construction worker, I'm happier than I ever would've been in the corporate wasteland. I make plenty of money to live. I don't need more money than I could ever spend at the expense of my sanity. I enjoy the hell out of actually acomplishing something in a days work. When I get too old to comfortably work in the extreme conditions of my vocation, I will then get an office job designing the intircate systems that I'm now installing, or perhaps I will be a salesman and make bids for the systems my company installs, or perhaps I will be a project manager and oversee the jobs, or perhaps I'll be really outstanding and do all three at the same time! I hate the idea of having my life completely planned out for me by anyone else or by myself. Who's to say that in another year or two I won't change my mind and want to do something else completely different?

I used to work in retail in college. I was a sporting goods department manager for a while. I enjoyed working around hunting and fishing gear as well as chatting it up with customers about hunting and fishing. I used to work as Loss Prevention for the same store. I enjoyed getting paid to prevent theft and tackle shoplifters. For a while, I was considering going out for training in law enforcement... until I got bored with it.

Just my opinion, but a persons vocation has little to do with their worth and intelligence. Some people aren't concerned with the common idea that you are your job.
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#74922 - 01/23/05 11:03 AM Re: vocations and values [Re: Focalor]
reprobate Offline

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Loc: Canada
Quote:

Being basically a construction worker, I'm happier than I ever would've been in the corporate wasteland.


And that's what "elite" means around these parts!
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#74923 - 01/23/05 12:36 PM Re: vocations and values [Re: Focalor]
dragondancer Offline

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Registered: 12/22/04
Posts: 1546
Loc: Virginia
Quote:

I hardly see what working in a Mattress store has to do with how intelligent a person is. Are you implying that a Satanist could not stoop to have a job in a bedding and mattress store?



I agree, maybe she is happy working in a mattress store, maybe she likes being around mattresses, maybe she has a mattress fetish. The point here, Loki869, was that she WAS being stupid. She was proving her stupidity by the way she was treating her customer not by the fact that she was working in a mattress store.

HS!
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#74924 - 01/23/05 01:04 PM Re: shopping [Re: Focalor]
Zink Offline
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Registered: 07/27/04
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Loc: the low countries
the problem is that people bore me quickly and stupidity makes me lose my temper. I can't just walk away from it.
The question is actually: how do you keep calm and don't attack.
At that point, I really don't care about the mattress anymore. I just start to feel angry and upset. I can always go to an other shop and I do not care about that woman. But I hate the way it gets to me. How do I stop them from ruining my day?

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#74925 - 01/23/05 01:28 PM Re: shopping [Re: Focalor]
TrojZyr Offline
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Registered: 07/25/01
Posts: 12982
Loc: The Solid State
Oh, and although it's cliche, it may often help to count to ten inwardly before getting angry with someone. I find it also helps to empathize with salespeople, and put myself in their shoes--it doesn't excuse stupidity or outright incompetence, but it can shed light onto why some of them are frazzled or stressed, and this can inspire kinder sentiments towards them.
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#74926 - 01/23/05 01:36 PM Re: shopping [Re: Zink]
PWG Offline
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Registered: 02/13/04
Posts: 403
Loc: MI
Getting needlessly angry at a minor inconvenience saps energy from you that could better be used elsewhere.

As an example, Satanism teaches that trying to love everyone dilutes that emotion. If you attempt to love everyone, what is left for those who really deserve it? If you become annoyed at every minor altercation, what do you have left when you go into your ritual chamber?

Satanists realize that the herd is populated with those that are ignorant and foolish. However, we also realize that this can be an asset to us.

That knowledge becomes your power.

Pick you battles wisely.

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#74927 - 01/23/05 02:07 PM Re: shopping [Re: Focalor]
Sarracenia Offline
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Registered: 03/29/02
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As far as Lesser Magic goes... can't really help you there. Either you have the knack for it, or you don't.

Then, by your reasoning, I suppose "The Satanic Witch" is a pointless book.

There is no manual called "How to Have Personality", and one thing Lesser Magic requires is personality.

Not necessarily. What you really have it not the focus; It is what people think you have, that is.
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#74928 - 01/23/05 05:02 PM Re: shopping [Re: Zink]
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Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 89
I can offer some advice from first hand experience on both sides of the situation.

When I was in my former years, about 16 or 17 I worked at a video store. I had customers all the time walk up to me and ask me questions that I really thought they should have known. These customers have been comming to this store for years and yet they still never caught the fact that all movies are in alphabetical order. This got quite irritating. Or every morning there was an elderly cranky fellow that seemed to upset everyone on first shift, except for me. I had to come to learn that sometimes, people have had a pretty bad day even before they walk into that door. People may be suffering from emotional turmoil and it's ashame we get the ugly end of it. Sometimes people might have an issue with focus and they need assistance. As an employee and in some cases a boss, it's my job to be sure they are offered the best quality service that I can provide. Always begin a conversation with a compliment if possible. It's easy to get upset and let customers to provoke you into responding into a way that they can begin to feed off of your negative energy.

As a customer, I also had horrible service before. I simply had to come to an understanding that I don't know everything and that this sales associate could not. I simply smiled and as the conversation progressed I allowed the experience to be just that, an experience that could be manipulated by my very expressions and reactions. Just let it go and be as it is, you can't change everyone but you can change yourself in the midst of such opportunities. Consider it a Satanic challenge .


Edited by AnxiousBeing (01/24/05 03:59 PM)
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#74929 - 01/24/05 12:15 AM No one makes you angry. [Re: Zink]
Nemo Offline
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Please note I am not suggesting that you don't become angry or have good reason for anger.

I am suggesting that it isn't what other people do or fail to do that makes you angry.

It is what you tell yourself about the situation that does.

Behind every anger is a moment of prior frustration. It may happen so fast you don't catch it in action but later you can usually think back and identify what it was that you felt frustrated about.

The anger part comes when there is an (often internal unspoken) demand on your part that the way things are shouldn't be that way!

In other words it is a demand for reality to not be the way it already is.

If you can change what you tell yourself about frustrating situations you may not feel anger at all.

You may, for example, feel gleeful delight.

Ask yourself how you would have felt at the moment the salewoman was frustrating you if you had immediately thought of a way to have her feel suddenly compelled to apologize to you and offer to give you any mattress in the store free of charge?

If that had actually happened I suspect your movement toward anger would have suddenly become a sense of smug satisfaction instead.

What we tell ourselves about things not only affects how we emotionally respond but also guides us to coming up with better approaches to get what we really do want.

Just my opinion.

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#74930 - 01/24/05 12:19 AM Bravo! [Re: Focalor]
Nemo Offline
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I salute you.

You are not what you do.

Therefore do what you want to do to experience what you want to experience.

Or, in other words, think outside the box and ask yourself if what you are doing is actually getting you where you want to go.

Thank you for a very satisfying post to read!

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#74931 - 01/24/05 12:49 AM Re: vocations and values [Re: Focalor]
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Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Canada
My own tale is much the reverse, but the sentiment is the same. I was a drywaller for many years, made great money when I wanted to and relaxed when I needed to. Eventually, I got tired of the grind of the big city I lived in and moved to a small country town. Some of my herd-friends called me crazy and could not fathom me doing what I wanted, instead of what was "expected." I did what I wanted to anyway. Again, I grew tired of the way my life was progressing and quit working to go back to school. Again, my friends asked me silly questions, only this time it was whether I was afraid!?! Imagine! Fear of self-improvement!It never occurred to me to fear doing what I want. Not then, and now that I think of it, not ever. This is the type of thing that sets me apart from them. My oldest friend has 2 families and 4 kids, works long hours at a job he hates, to pay what he's expected. He's totally trapped by his own herd mentality, yet he asks me if I'm afraid of being free? It's time like this I yell aloud- Hail Satan!
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#74932 - 01/24/05 01:28 AM Re: shopping [Re: Zink]
Noel Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 1220
Loc: Amerika
It sounds like you were dealing with a rude clerk and were well within your rights to become angered.

Commission is the language salesmen speak.

So, in regards to dealing with the situation by using applied psychology, you might have said, "I will be glad to go elsewhere." (Negotiators call that a BATNA--best alternative to no agreement.)

Then, if the clerk continues to be rude, ask to speak with the manager and report the infraction.

If that doesn't work, call their corporate office and complain relentlessly.

You would be surprised at how much free stuff and glowing apologies you can get by using available BATNAs for leverage.

That's just my opinion, having seen what goes on behind the scenes in retail contexts.

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