#74919 - 01/23/05 09:44 AM
Re: shopping
[Re: Zink]
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Registered: 01/19/05
Posts: 219
Loc: NJ
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Don't let her get to you. She's stupid and you aren't simple as that. Might i remind you that she bases her entire living on working at a matress store, so when someone like that gives you more shit you can just remind yourself that they aren't worth a damn. They can hardly scrape together 10 grand a year. I can't really help you with the lesser magic. Maybe a higher ranking satanist will give ya some advice.....maybe. Keep your chin up. People like that are deffinately not worth your time. Funny how people that work at low end jobs and have low shitty wages feel that they have the right to give innocent people like you attitude. tsk tsk. Ave Satanas! 
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#74921 - 01/23/05 10:41 AM
vocations and values
[Re: loki869]
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Registered: 12/11/04
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Oh look! A rabbit trail! Let's see where it goes!  I hardly see what working in a Mattress store has to do with how intelligent a person is. Are you implying that a Satanist could not stoop to have a job in a bedding and mattress store? A person is not defined by their vocation. Many people in the herd upon meeting someone ask, "What do you do?", which implies, "How much more or less valuable are you compared to me?" Like the line in the movie Fight Club, "You aren't yer fuckin' khakis!" In college, I was working towards acheiving a degree in Journalism and English so that I could have a fancy high paying job. When I realized how miserable I'd be working until my eyes were bleeding behind a desk and in front of a computer screen, I said "to Hell with this!". Now I'm a pipefitter/welder. Being basically a construction worker, I'm happier than I ever would've been in the corporate wasteland. I make plenty of money to live. I don't need more money than I could ever spend at the expense of my sanity. I enjoy the hell out of actually acomplishing something in a days work. When I get too old to comfortably work in the extreme conditions of my vocation, I will then get an office job designing the intircate systems that I'm now installing, or perhaps I will be a salesman and make bids for the systems my company installs, or perhaps I will be a project manager and oversee the jobs, or perhaps I'll be really outstanding and do all three at the same time! I hate the idea of having my life completely planned out for me by anyone else or by myself. Who's to say that in another year or two I won't change my mind and want to do something else completely different? I used to work in retail in college. I was a sporting goods department manager for a while. I enjoyed working around hunting and fishing gear as well as chatting it up with customers about hunting and fishing. I used to work as Loss Prevention for the same store. I enjoyed getting paid to prevent theft and tackle shoplifters. For a while, I was considering going out for training in law enforcement... until I got bored with it. Just my opinion, but a persons vocation has little to do with their worth and intelligence. Some people aren't concerned with the common idea that you are your job.
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#74923 - 01/23/05 12:36 PM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: Focalor]
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Registered: 12/22/04
Posts: 1546
Loc: Virginia
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I hardly see what working in a Mattress store has to do with how intelligent a person is. Are you implying that a Satanist could not stoop to have a job in a bedding and mattress store?
I agree, maybe she is happy working in a mattress store, maybe she likes being around mattresses, maybe she has a mattress fetish. The point here, Loki869, was that she WAS being stupid. She was proving her stupidity by the way she was treating her customer not by the fact that she was working in a mattress store. 
HS! 
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#74925 - 01/23/05 01:28 PM
Re: shopping
[Re: Focalor]
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CoS Witch
Registered: 07/25/01
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Loc: The Solid State
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Oh, and although it's cliche, it may often help to count to ten inwardly before getting angry with someone. I find it also helps to empathize with salespeople, and put myself in their shoes--it doesn't excuse stupidity or outright incompetence, but it can shed light onto why some of them are frazzled or stressed, and this can inspire kinder sentiments towards them.
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#74927 - 01/23/05 02:07 PM
Re: shopping
[Re: Focalor]
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Registered: 03/29/02
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As far as Lesser Magic goes... can't really help you there. Either you have the knack for it, or you don't.
Then, by your reasoning, I suppose "The Satanic Witch" is a pointless book.
There is no manual called "How to Have Personality", and one thing Lesser Magic requires is personality.
Not necessarily. What you really have it not the focus; It is what people think you have, that is.
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#74928 - 01/23/05 05:02 PM
Re: shopping
[Re: Zink]
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Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 89
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I can offer some advice from first hand experience on both sides of the situation.
When I was in my former years, about 16 or 17 I worked at a video store. I had customers all the time walk up to me and ask me questions that I really thought they should have known. These customers have been comming to this store for years and yet they still never caught the fact that all movies are in alphabetical order. This got quite irritating. Or every morning there was an elderly cranky fellow that seemed to upset everyone on first shift, except for me. I had to come to learn that sometimes, people have had a pretty bad day even before they walk into that door. People may be suffering from emotional turmoil and it's ashame we get the ugly end of it. Sometimes people might have an issue with focus and they need assistance. As an employee and in some cases a boss, it's my job to be sure they are offered the best quality service that I can provide. Always begin a conversation with a compliment if possible. It's easy to get upset and let customers to provoke you into responding into a way that they can begin to feed off of your negative energy.
As a customer, I also had horrible service before. I simply had to come to an understanding that I don't know everything and that this sales associate could not. I simply smiled and as the conversation progressed I allowed the experience to be just that, an experience that could be manipulated by my very expressions and reactions. Just let it go and be as it is, you can't change everyone but you can change yourself in the midst of such opportunities. Consider it a Satanic challenge  .
Edited by AnxiousBeing (01/24/05 03:59 PM)
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#74930 - 01/24/05 12:19 AM
Bravo!
[Re: Focalor]
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CoS Magister
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I salute you. You are not what you do. Therefore do what you want to do to experience what you want to experience. Or, in other words, think outside the box and ask yourself if what you are doing is actually getting you where you want to go. Thank you for a very satisfying post to read! 
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#74931 - 01/24/05 12:49 AM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: Focalor]
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Registered: 01/02/05
Posts: 6
Loc: Canada
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My own tale is much the reverse, but the sentiment is the same. I was a drywaller for many years, made great money when I wanted to and relaxed when I needed to. Eventually, I got tired of the grind of the big city I lived in and moved to a small country town. Some of my herd-friends called me crazy and could not fathom me doing what I wanted, instead of what was "expected." I did what I wanted to anyway. Again, I grew tired of the way my life was progressing and quit working to go back to school. Again, my friends asked me silly questions, only this time it was whether I was afraid!?! Imagine! Fear of self-improvement!It never occurred to me to fear doing what I want. Not then, and now that I think of it, not ever. This is the type of thing that sets me apart from them. My oldest friend has 2 families and 4 kids, works long hours at a job he hates, to pay what he's expected. He's totally trapped by his own herd mentality, yet he asks me if I'm afraid of being free? It's time like this I yell aloud- Hail Satan!
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#74933 - 01/24/05 02:35 AM
Re: shopping
[Re: Zink]
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 474
Loc: Germany
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Well Zink, pretty much emotional energy wasted for such a tiny matter. Why that? I think you are not so experienced in buisiness communications, it is a complete different matter than day to day conversations with friends or strangers.
Keep just a simple rule in mind: "Communicate what I want."
For example: You wanted a mattress. I bet $50 that this was the only idea about the product when you entered the shop. You put trust in the assumption that the clerk will help you. Congratulations, you're doomed!
The job of the clerk is not to give you advices, the job is to sell something. So, in most cases the clerk will try to give you the feeling that you are completly incompetent to make a sane decision about the product you want. I know this from computer buisiness. A customer wants to buy a computer and I used to tell him things like: 1.5 GHz, FireWire, DualRaid, FSB200, Hypertransport, Advaced Sound System, Centrino, AMD but Intel compatible, MMX unit, anisotrope antialiasing, fault tolerant system, MMX again but now for video, twin-view, flatscreen, TCO97, Eco-Compliant, three layered internet defense system, USB2.0, U100, 4.200rpm, 15ms, 2MB cache, 802.11g WLAN, 4 port 10/100 nway switch, 2.0 dBi antenna, manageable by SNMP and MIB-II(RFC 1213) !!!
Now the customer feels like a complete idiot, and you are god. God tells now the little sheep what to buy. Of course the most expensive product.
Just keep in mind what you want. A matrress, cheap and comftable. Listen to the blah blah and repeat communicating your simple requests, especially low price!
Don't react, create!
Hail Satan!
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#74934 - 01/24/05 02:52 AM
Re: shopping
[Re: Zink]
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Registered: 08/03/04
Posts: 474
Loc: Germany
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How do I stop them from ruining my day?
This helps!

Note: The author made this post only for entertainment purposes. It does not reflect his opinion how to behave in society nor it is meant as an advice for real life behaviour.
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#74937 - 01/24/05 07:20 AM
Re: shopping
[Re: Zink]
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CoS Member
Registered: 11/12/03
Posts: 1182
Loc: texas
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Off the subject of Lesser Magic. I used to work as the delivery boy at a place that made mattresses. It was a local mattress place, not serta or anything. While I was working there, I noticed something. The only difference between the $300 mattress and the $1000 mattress was the color of the cloth. Same springs, same padding. Just different color cloth. The pillow top was about the only thing that changed how the bed went together, other than that, everything came from the same pile. And the best part was that the customers would lay down on the "different" beds and swear that one was firmer or softer. HA! If they only knew that the only differences was the color of the bed.  Toad
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#74938 - 01/24/05 08:05 PM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: Focalor]
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CoS Reverend
Registered: 07/28/01
Posts: 11211
Loc: New England, USA
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>>Many people in the herd upon meeting someone ask, "What >>do you do?", which implies, "How much more or less >>valuable are you compared to me?" Like the line in the >>movie Fight Club, "You aren't yer fuckin' khakis!"
I've also seen the career-comparing attitude used in a seemingly opposite way. I've run into both blue-collar workers and starving artist types on occasion who ask what I do for a living, and then once they find out it involves sitting at a desk on weekdays, the solipsism begins. Their projected idea is that I must be miserable if I work in an office, because of course they feel they would be. Or that I have no creative output in my life. They usually start off with the follow-up question "Do you like it?" or if it were phrased more bluntly, "Yeah, but are you HAPPY?" There's also the stupid religious-based idea here of "I make less money than you, therefore I'm more humble, therefore I'm superior". Of course, it never occurs to these annoying dweebs that there might be people who don't want to run their own business, or whose interests and skills are much better matched to a career that falls into a white-collar category.
Though I suspect some of them, like their pretentious white-collar counterparts that you mention, are probably secretly unsatisfied with their own jobs, and are merely trying to find false justification for liking what they do for income. Some even start to grill me. One of my friends introduced me to his mom, and after she asked me what I did for a living, then followed up with the "Do you like it?" line. Huh? I answered along the lines of "Yeah, it's alright." She says "Hmm, it doesn't sound like you do." Damn, I don't know this woman 15 seconds, and already she's trying to act as my shrink!
Personally, I don't identify with the people who act pretentious around me about being self-employed starving artists, nor the hobbyless ones who define themselves by their job title. My occupation isn't my life.
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#74939 - 01/24/05 08:28 PM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: Bill_M]
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CoS Warlock
Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 6796
Loc: Forever West
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When I start small talk just to get a feeling for someone I always asks, "So, what do you do for work?" Then after they have answered I reply with, "Sounds like fun." That is when their true colors show (not always, but usually).
When people ask me about work or school I always answer them with a "I love it." because I truly do or I would not be doing it.
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#74940 - 01/25/05 12:05 PM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: Discipline]
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CoS Witch
Registered: 07/25/01
Posts: 12947
Loc: The Solid State
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Oh, Discipline, true indeed, on both counts.
I have actually found that you may need to insert a negative point into a conversation about school or your job in order to keep the conversation going, because many people have trouble springboarding off of a wholly positive topic, if that makes sense.
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#74941 - 01/25/05 03:27 PM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: TrojZyr]
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CoS Warlock
Registered: 08/25/03
Posts: 6796
Loc: Forever West
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Of course it makes sense. However, I don't do it to entertain them. I do it to entertain myself. Their reactions and responses can lead to a lot of information on what type of person they are.
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“The first principle is that you must not fool yourself—and you are the easiest person to fool.” ~Richard Feynman
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#74944 - 01/26/05 12:20 PM
Re: vocations and values
[Re: loki869]
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CoS Reverend
Registered: 07/28/01
Posts: 11211
Loc: New England, USA
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>>point taken, but she still should not have given her >>attitude.
I never said otherwise. In fact, I never said anything about the original anecdote.
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#74945 - 01/28/05 08:41 PM
Re: shopping
[Re: Sarracenia]
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Registered: 12/11/04
Posts: 392
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Then, by your reasoning, I suppose "The Satanic Witch" is a pointless book.
Anyone who reads the book cannot instantly be made a witch. Self-help books sell like hot cakes, but most people never grasp the information enough to find a solution to their personal problems.
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#74947 - 02/01/05 11:10 AM
Re: Bravo!
[Re: Cain76]
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Registered: 12/17/04
Posts: 226
Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
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I agree, with qualifications:
I saw someone post that "you are not what you do", but I always tend to think that that is EXACTLY what you are... Your actions and endeavors tend to define your identity. You may not necessarily "be your job", but that does not mean you shouldn't set out to define your identity based on your accomplishments - whether you make a living from them or not.
I think it's pretty grand when people successfully make a living on something to which they are very enthusiastic about, and are able to mould their character from a productive endeavor. I am often guilty of taking this a little too far, I admit, and I tend to identify myself rather strictly on my career performace. When I periodically step back and look at this, I'm able to back off before it starts affecting my self esteem. Those without enough of this sort of reflection can be these types who hate what they do and make sure everyone knows it; those with an excess of this type of reflection tend to take on tasks they cannot handle and always feel shitty about themselves because they're failing at things they aren't even qualified to do...
Not everyone is as serious about that, but I think failing to identify in some way with your work/career can make one lose the logical connection between their quality of work and quality of life. Losing this connection is what results in so many people these days expecting more out of life than they put in...
So, yeah: you're going to spend the majority of your waking hours doing it, so you may as well do something you enjoy and which reflects who you are and what you do best...
MM
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#74948 - 02/03/05 12:09 PM
Re: Bravo!
[Re: MarkArsenal]
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Registered: 12/11/04
Posts: 392
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I can't expect the entire living world to live the way I do. I'm an optimistic person because I'm a doer, I don't wait for things to happen to me. I wasn't always this way, but I have learned in my life so far that "nothing comes to those who hesitate". If I lose one job, big deal, I will get another one. Personally, I don't want to get paid to do something I love to do, I just want to do it. The minute someone pays you for something, they have authority to tell you how and when and why to do it. I would cease to enjoy it as much at that point. However, it costs money to survive in this world. I do what I have to do at work and enjoy it for whatever it's worth. If it simply isn't worth it anymore, I quit and get another job. I have more pride than to ever allow myself to collect unemployment or accept charity simply because I have chosen to neglect the task of actively seeking income. Obviously this subject is viewed by some as a matter of opinion. To me, it makes no difference what a person does for a living as long as it's legal and you don't complain to me about how boring it is. Politicians, CEO's and dog catchers eat, sleep, and shit just like I do. It's what you do with the time that you aren't getting paid to do something that makes you who you really are.
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