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Re: The Last Rites [Re: The_Sixth_Circle] #89978
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Actually I think this will provide a temporary revival. News coverage will be entertainment, speculation, and introspection for billions . I wouldn't be surprised if Elton John comes out of the woodwork to rewrite yet another version of "Candle In The Wind", selling more CD's than the one for Princess Diana.

A new pope will serve as a new source of hope and religious focus, having the youth and fervor many followers have been waiting for all these years. A thirst has been created.


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Re: The Last Rites [Re: MagisterRose] #89979
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Hell; where else?
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Again, this is not a given. These are people who fear modernity. The next pope may very well be even more reactionary and medieval in his attitudes.




Good point Magister, but they are also people who fear bankruptcy. People are leaving the Catholic church in droves due to its inability to shift from some of its more "ingrained" schools of thought (ref; Contraception, homosexuality). The Vatican coin counters are well aware of this and are likely to try and bolster falling numbers, reinforce current membership devotion and induct more people into "the flock". The best way of grabbing a new generation, is to appeal to their current values.

We can't exactly expect the upper echelons of the Vatican to behave honestly, gracefully or with dignity. They are more than likely to shift from faith to fancy in order to balance the cheque book, just as they've always done.

I'm not saying you're wrong, for what you assert is sensible, Magister. I simply have reason to believe that they are going to take another step toward being what they allegedly despise most - us.


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Re: The Last Rites [Re: Caesar] #89980
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You make a good point, but the key word is "temporary". We cannot forget the immediate reaction will likely be a resurgence, but it will not last long. Besides, the introspection you speak of will be down to a new and improved Pope (they believe) with New and Improved ideals.

These ideals will be closer to what we currently hold as life living doctrines, bringing the sheep a little closer to the wolves.

Incidentally, I'm not sure if you've read the post by "tha pig" but, if not, I recommend you do. He puts any elaboration on this point as eloquently as I could.


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Re: The Last Rites [Re: The_Sixth_Circle] #89981
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It amazes me how Catholics, and Christians in general are so obsessed with death.

Maybe I just didn't notice this before, but they seem to be so "united" in this situation.

If the Catholic Church were more goal oriented, it would demand a death of this magnitude every year!!

Well, I can dream...

Re: The Last Rites [Re: The_Sixth_Circle] #89982
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The Old Catholic Men's Club will just put the skull cap on somebody else and the repression will continue. The next one maybe is Pope John Paul Peter or Pope Peter John. Whatever. Get an undercover Satanist to wear the cap, then we'll have something.

Meantime, you may as well at least enjoy a chuckle: http://villagevoice.com/blogs/pressclipsextra/archives/2005/04/another_public.php

PS: The Popemobile is up for grabs!

Re: The Last Rites [Re: The_Sixth_Circle] #89983
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In my opinion, the Catholic Church will eventually kill itself. It is more than likely the case that a new pope will not change things very much. The reason for this is very simple. A little something called the infallability of the pope. Supposedly what the pope says, (does not matter which pope) is directly given to him from god, so he is always right. This is where they have painted themselves into a corner. They can not all of a sudden say, "oh, we were wrong about (insert whatever dogma you want to)" without undermining the infallability of the pope. If god said it, then you can not change it.

A good example of this dilemma to the church is the abortion issue. Though abortion was made legal in the US, the Catholic church had to take a hard line against abortion and its cousin contraception. The church lobbied hard against the legalization and still is the strongest opponent to it. Since it was a papal decision that contraception was immoral due to the idea that it prevented conception and therefore was a form of abortion, they could not then turn around and change their minds without undermining papal authority. Thus the devout would have to think about the fact that god had changed his mind.
No matter what the social issue is, they can not revise their stance on it without undermining the papal authority, which is what the Catholic church is founded on. It is the biggest difference between Catholic xtians and regular xtians. It is one of those huge lies that tangles up the church and will eventually become its demise.

So, a new pope can not really change anything without undermining the entire papal system. He will just continue on in the footsteps of all the others in order to try to hang on to a dying religion.


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Re: The Last Rites [Re: dragondancer] #89984
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I hate to disagree DragonDancer, but religions will never die.

If i'm not mistaken even the good doctor stated that "People need dogma" (That was actually the sentence that aligned me completely with his logic).

The other religions will exist as they always did.
If Jesus would come down from heaven and witness what his religion has created, no doubts he will crucify himself at the vatican square. with spoons.

Muslims will always have it's desert people with their ignorent and harsh perspective on life thus sustaining that religion.

As for jews... well... Hitler gave it a try and failed.


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I.G.Farben? [Re: The_Sixth_Circle] #89985
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As a young man, I have heard this fanatic with the biggest hat worked at I.G.Farben, producer of the Zyklon B "insecticide" used to "neutralize" Concentration Camp guests. The Vatican is rumored to have the largest collection of pornography in the world, no wonder they wear skirts, easy access! It will be a call to revival for the faithful sheep, but it won't last. Just as long as they stay away from my children, I could care less what they wear and say.
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Re: It is done. [Re: The_Sixth_Circle] #89986
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And that folks, as they say, is that .


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Re: The Last Rites [Re: Assabrah] #89987
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Actually, football seems to have fallen by the wayside here in the states. The new opium is these goddamned reality shows. Maybe they will have a new reality show called "Who Will Be the Next Pope?" Have twelve cardinals compete for the chance to be grand pooba.

Re: The Last Rites [Re: Leo_V] #89988
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And so afraid of death, too.

A Christian I know expressed fear and discomfort at the sight of a particular MC Escher print (some of you may be familiar with it), and this struck me as rather interesting. Doesn't like skeletons, and other symbols and visages of death.

This is quite interesting to me, as "logically," shouldn't the ones who believe in salvation and an afterlife be less nervous and dismayed about death?

I believe it's a chicken-and-egg puzzle.


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Re: I.G.Farben? [Re: Abbott] #89989
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Actually, sorry, that one's an urban legend.

The largest collection of porn can be found at the Kinsey Institute.

I'm disappointed too, but there are still probably some interesting valuables in the Vatican, to be sure.


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Re: I.G.Farben? [Re: TrojZyr] #89990
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I guess I've been fooled once again, P.T. Barnum was right!
Thanks. It would make sense had it been true, plausible for a twisted lot that they are.
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Re: The Last Rites [Re: pitzi_83] #89991
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I hate to disagree DragonDancer, but religions will never die.




I would agree with you that religions will always be with us, however the Catholic church itself is and has been on the decline. Just for kicks here are some statistics taken from research done by Kenneth C. Jones in his book Index of Leading Catholic Indications:The Church Since Vatican II. These are declines in US only.

The number of priests dropped from 58,000 in 1965 to 45,000 in 2002, and continues to drop so that by 2020 there will be only 31,000 priests and 15,000 of those will be over the age of 70.

The number of nuns went from 180,000 in 1965 to 75,000 in 2002 with an average age of 68.

Catholic high schools went from 1,566 in 1965 to 786 in 2002, and grade schools went from 10,503 in 1965 to 6,623 in 2002.

The Sacraments given declined from 1.3 million babies baptized in 1965 to 1 million in 2002. Adult conversions went from 126,000 in 1965 to 80,000.

Mass attendance in a 1958 poll showed that 74% of Catholics attended mass while in 1994 the percentage dropped to 26.6%, and another drop of 1.6% just 6 years later.

These are just some figures to show declines. Since the Catholic church is probably not going to get anymore liberal in their stances on social issues, these declines are likely to continue. I still maintain that eventually, the Catholic church as we know it today will cease to exist, but that is just my opinion.

That is not to say that xtians, Muslims, and Jews are not still going strong however.


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Re: The Last Rites [Re: pitzi_83] #89992
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As for jews... well... Hitler gave it a try and failed.




Are we talking about Ethnic Jews or Religious Jews? I ask because i was reading through a Encyclopedia the other day, doing research into Judaism, and the singular thought that struck me is that for the past 4 thousand years the jews have been remorselasly fucked up the ass by virtually every circumstance imaginable. Did Abraham do something those 4 Millenia ago and the jewish people are having to pay for it? I mean, what exactly is God's problem with them? I mean, short of killing a member of his family, they couldn't exactly have pissed him off any more! *

*This religious rant should be taken as a slice of satire/and or black humour and not an advocation of any form of anti-semetism whatsoever .

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