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#94284 - 04/19/05 02:07 PM Jesus hitler, adolf christ
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#94285 - 04/19/05 02:15 PM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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Of course. Kenneth Anger had more basis than an opinion for that certain scene in Scorpio Rising.
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#94286 - 04/19/05 02:38 PM Re: moral values [Re: Disintegrator]
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In the U.S. a lot is said of its leaders having “moral fiber”. It’s interesting to note that Hitler did not use tobacco products over drink or womanize. It shows what “moral fiber” can do.

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#94287 - 04/19/05 03:03 PM Re: moral values [Re: Cain76]
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Repression leads to compulsion, whether direct or indirect. Hitler was a MOST extreme case.
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#94288 - 04/20/05 07:19 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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Funny how a lot of extreme Neo-Pagans like Varg Vikernes (ex-Burzum) and Rob Darken (Graveland) profess Nazi beliefs when much of Nazi doctrine came from Christianity.

By the way...loved the Carnivore reference .

"Jesus Hitler, Adolf Christ
Is this the second coming?
Or the fourth reich?"
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#94289 - 04/20/05 07:21 AM Re: moral values [Re: Disintegrator]
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I heard today that the new pope was a member of Hitler youth when he was younger

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#94290 - 04/20/05 07:28 AM Re: moral values [Re: inkedlrk]
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He was also a German Army deserter.
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#94291 - 04/20/05 08:18 AM Re: moral values [Re: inkedlrk]
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About the Hitler jugend, i guess every young man back then had no other choice then joining. At the end of the war the vatican helped nazi-criminals on the boat to South America as well, this is co-operattion with the secret group Odessa (ex-ss leaders community)...the secret crimes of the vatican. I might do some research on good books about this matter.
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#94292 - 04/20/05 08:22 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Nyarlathotep]
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Totally true, the mentioned persons are total idiots for sure, one for stabbing his pal to death and serving jail for 20+ years and the other one is a Polish nitwit that wouln'd survive one day in a nazi regime.
Carnivore, one hell of a band, i was a huge fan when i was 16, but this song is a classic.
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#94293 - 04/20/05 10:17 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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You can't compare Jesus with Hitler.
Jesus was only a normal man with some radical ideas for his time. There are more Jesus than we thought.
Hitler was a monster. Maybe he didn't drink alcohol or didn't smoke but it is fact that he gave the order for the holocaust. And of course the men who executed this order where all insane. But as a modern german girl i say both are the past. We can't undo the things that happend. We have to learn from the past to make a better future.
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#94294 - 04/20/05 10:34 AM Re: moral values [Re: inkedlrk]
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I heard today that the new pope was a member of Hitler youth when he was younger




sure check it out:
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2005/04/20/1113854233152.html?from=top5&oneclick=true
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#94295 - 04/20/05 10:36 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Adepta_Serenity]
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well : ein reich, ein volk, ein führer fits to both no?
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#94296 - 04/20/05 10:37 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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Thank you for your post.

"A picture's worth a thousand words."

What an embarrassment to the Catholic Church - everyone should see those photos! Of course, the faithful would give the typical excuse : oh, those poor men had to obey or they would've been killed (so much for martyrdom).

Eggs-Benedict XVI blasts "relativism". Well, I'd say those cardinals in the photos were definitely "goin' with the flow".

Ugh! I hate the Catholic Church! Now I'm angry all over again!

Hail Satan!
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#94297 - 04/20/05 10:50 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Ortrud]
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The new pope blasts relativism, individualism, atheism, ego-ism...Talking 'bout having a blast...it seems that they are afraid of the Satanist!!
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#94298 - 04/20/05 10:58 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Ortrud]
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Calm down.
There were many priest killed in this time also. Only if you do as a priest you aren't one. And of course the Nazis used the historical part of the bible for their needs. And so we see that the church no matter what confession is always a part of the system. But no active member would admit it.
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#94299 - 04/20/05 11:16 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Adepta_Serenity]
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I showed a link between x-tians and nazism, this is indeed a historical fact, i wanted to show another part of the real face of the vatican.
What is your point by saying that even the fact he didn't drink or smoke he gave order for the holocaust. What in the hell has a habit like drinking or smoking to do with the holocaust?? I don't understand this.
I don't drink or smoke myself, but it doesn't make me a better or 'good guy' kinda person.
It seems that alot of Germans are jumpy if some-one even uses the word nazi, or just wanna talk about history.
My grandfather was a ss capo here in the Flanders district, helped with deportation of gipsy's and political prisoners, i'm not jumpy if some-one uses the word nazi. I see it as a part of history, i don't even try to judge in good or bad, guilty or not, as every culture has blood on their hands.
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#94300 - 04/20/05 11:21 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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Because I wasn't born this these years, like a great number I guess, I only see Hitler like the main character of this dvd I had bought about the Waffen SS.What a movie!........ Nothing more?

I don't say this to denigrate your searches.
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#94301 - 04/20/05 11:29 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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Well i don't want to say anything about Hitler personally.
And I'm not jumpy about that. It is our past and I can't change it either.
And that the Vatican State is a state of lies is nothing new. If we look back in time there are many of those lies.
The best examples are in my opinion the so called holy crusade and the holy inquisision. Killing and making war in the name of god. As I remember the bible there are no words of that in it. Also to get married to have sex. Or that priests don't have sex. Well we all known where this ends. I read enough articles about priests having sex with their servants.
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#94302 - 04/20/05 11:52 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Assabrah]
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Of course there's plenty of more, there's just too much pope fuzz here in Europe, and i guess in the States it's the same deal.
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#94303 - 04/20/05 12:00 PM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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Who this man was before has relatively little bearing on the present.

He's not likely to last more than a few years in office in any case-he's a stop gap till they find someone better.

Fortunately he is going backwards in time,and I see that as a good thing. It will help to continue the erosion of an already foundering institution. The more he alienates his constituency, the better.

Heil Benedict!
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#94304 - 04/20/05 12:00 PM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: x9x]
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And do you care about it.
I only see a old man following another old man. I guess we will have some more pope elections in our lifes. And that shows us how weak the catholic church really is. Who will elect a man nearby dead as their leader. But what do I say. I guess you know what I mean.
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#94305 - 04/20/05 01:06 PM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Adepta_Serenity]
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I asked the same question yesterday, when someone felt the need to tell me, with great enthusiasm, that they had appointed someone pope. "What do these people [Catholics] do anyway? Find all of their leaders in the Senior Citizens-Retirement home of Shady Pines?"
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#94306 - 04/20/05 02:38 PM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: man_mind]
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It's pretty much a given that they will have to find dried up old men who toe the hard line after John Paul.

He shook things up, and made a lot of enemies in the cardnial circles-he was far too liberal. Don't count on seeing one like him again in this life time.

Expect another sucession of rigid grump monsters in the future. I find that very comforting, to be truthful-at least they will limit thier inluence that way..JP was beginning to scare me,too much of what he said and did actually made SENSE. The man had some real power,I'm glad he's gone.
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#94307 - 04/20/05 02:43 PM antidote? [Re: IronCrafter]
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But...Really: Is this so important? no need to have a magic wand to make all this disappear : just switch off television and live your life!
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#94308 - 04/20/05 02:52 PM Re: antidote? [Re: Assabrah]
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Great point.

I find that is often my way of dealing with world politics. Most of it never directly affects me. When it becomes important, I'll read up on it. Until that time I'll be worrying about school and work.

Let the stuff you can't control go, and save your energy for what really matters.
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#94309 - 04/20/05 02:58 PM exactly!! and my final point is > [Re: Drimlybunk]
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that this forum is called :" where the elite come to play" and not "where the elite come to piss in his pant"

DAMNIT! this is the age of Satan! This post is starting to smell more the milk than the sulfur !

I saw the Dead pope 3 times in my life on TV : 1) when I was child, 2) when a guy tried to kill him ,3) when he died. Power? Where? When? Who? No one came to my house to tell me.


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#94310 - 04/20/05 03:03 PM Re: Who Cares? [Re: x9x]
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I showed a link between x-tians and nazism, this is indeed a historical fact, i wanted to show another part of the real face of the vatican.

So...what difference does it make?
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#94311 - 04/20/05 03:11 PM Re: Who Cares? [Re: Caesar]
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The only difference it makes is in perception,Ceasarsghost.

And how does this relate to Satanism? As a chink in the armour of a major roadblock.

Nothing more.
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#94312 - 04/20/05 04:25 PM Re: Who Cares? [Re: Caesar]
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Do all posts here need to make a difference then? I doubt it.
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#94313 - 04/20/05 05:22 PM Re: moral values [Re: Remorazz]
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Would you mind posting the full text here (with the proper reference, of course). I am interested in reading the article but do not want to register with this magazine.
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#94314 - 04/20/05 07:09 PM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Adepta_Serenity]
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Jesus was only a normal man with some radical ideas for his time.




No. He wasn't.
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#94315 - 04/21/05 01:31 AM Re: Who Cares? [Re: x9x]
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Why is it important for the followers of Jesus to be linked with followers of Hitler? Why do you care? Why should any of us care?
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#94316 - 04/21/05 03:34 AM Re: Who Cares? [Re: Caesar]
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Wow! This was pretty close to what I was thinking on the whole
issue. Why should we care what the Catholics are or aren't
doing? Why not just let them go about their business and
silently enjoy watching them back-pedal and tread water?

Any more than that and religion becomes a spectator sport.
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#94317 - 04/21/05 06:01 AM Re: Who Cares? [Re: RandomStranger]
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Aye, now as soon as TV stops airing Papal news 24/7 we can all move on all and all will be well.
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#94318 - 04/21/05 09:18 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Old_Pig]
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Don't tell me that you believe that he was the son of god.
It is historical proved that there was a man named Jesus and that he started a revolution. But therefor he is no son of god or something like that. Many people had started a revolution and they still live. Are they also Sons of God? No they are normal humans just like we are. There are no differences in that point.
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#94319 - 04/21/05 09:45 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Adepta_Serenity]
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It is historical proved that there was a man named Jesus and that he started a revolution.




Where is this proof? I have never seen anything to lead me to the conclusion that he existed at all.

Even if he did, so what?
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#94320 - 04/21/05 09:51 AM Re: Who Cares? [Re: Gileyd]
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I must be really lucky. My television receives more than one channel. I have seen more news about the pope in this thread than I have anywhere else.
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#94321 - 04/21/05 09:54 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: MagisterRose]
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Where the proof is? Look around you. If he didn't exist all people had another religion. And the bible is imo the first fantasy tale based on the history.
But I don't care either if he existed or not. If he existed good if not it is good also. So no need to argue about that.
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#94322 - 04/21/05 10:02 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: Adepta_Serenity]
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I will grant you that a man named Jesus lived. In fact, I'm sure several men were named Jesus, just as no man has a monopoly on the names Henry, Franklin, or Ted. I know a man named Jesus, although he pronounces it differently. As for histeri...historical proof that a man named Jesus started a revolution, I haven't seen it.
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#94323 - 04/21/05 10:13 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: andychrist]
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Andy,if he hadn't of existed,the sheep would just have found some other equally ludicrous thing to be excited over and allay thier idiotic fears.

Just be glad they aren't electing a "supreme duck" of some such thing this week instead.
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#94324 - 04/21/05 10:16 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: andychrist]
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Okay I see. This leads to nothing.
Let's end this discussion. We are not able to go back in time and check this out. So I got my opinion of it and all other their own.
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#94325 - 04/21/05 10:36 AM Re: Jesus hitler, adolf christ [Re: IronCrafter]
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I don't know, Crafter. I like a nice roasted duck every now and then. Supreme duck sounds tasty.
Ducks aside, we are in total agreement. Sheep need a herder.
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#94326 - 04/21/05 10:51 AM Re: moral values [Re: Gileyd]
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I find that usually the most commical point is mostly overlooked. The links between Nazism and Christianity are deeply intertwined ('cleansing' through inquisitions and the like), yet the most amusing thing is that not only do Christian organizations throw Hitler as being the bi-product of Satanism, but also Nazism itself. Not quite a bad effort when they're still washing the blood off their hands. Let us not forget the Vatican however, they do preach love and forgiveness, after all they did forgive Nazi war criminals by giving them fake passports and shipping them out of Europe, how kind of them..

When it comes to Nazi's and Christians, one can always put them in the same metaphorical boat, they are dull, they thrive off the same short sighted dogma which reaches for the first excuse for their practiced failure, whether it be Satanists or Jews, the scapegoat is always there, and as long as these philosophies of abject failure and self imposed ignorance are allowed to practice in such open environments, these philosophical cracks will keep splitting open, until they expose themselves to their own self-induced hell. After all, they're going to have to wake up to reality some time, and we will be there waiting, their faith in ignorance cannot save them forever, it can't even save them now. Such is the way of the world.

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