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#486807 - 02/22/13 09:12 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: Meneyazwun]
Labyrinthine Offline

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Christian influence over the West is quickly waning, and has been for decades. The numbers of those who identify with it are shrinking, church attendance is dropping, and Christian church dogma (Protestant and Catholic) is increasingly watered down, less and less resembling the wretched barren rock of sexual repression and mindless bigotry that it once was. Of course more hard-line Christians still exist, but on the whole, the religion itself as an identity, and its conservative force in society are dying.

The same cannot be said for Islam: the number of adherents are growing, (including in Europe) the followers of the religion, on the aggregate, have become more radical and violent in the past several decades. I see too many Satanists having this tunnel-vision hatred for Christianity such that they miss out on how other, equally brainless and damaging religions are doing. Never forget, theism and crazy, violent, homophobic text is FAR from unique to Christianity.

Now, in Western countries, where Christianity was once dominant: something will replace it, and already is. Most people need that group-love mentality, and someone telling them what to do, and they need something bigger than themselves to die for. A combination of popular music, name brand clothing, and New Age spiritualism (peddled in book form by an endless parade of bestselling authors) seem to do the job just fine. "Religion" as we recognize it today will die out, but, you'll see this more fractured, pseudo-individualist, lovey-dovey tolerant sort of spiritualism, accompanied with identity-commercialism and identity-"green-ism", fill the void.

Violent religious groups will always form and fuck things up, whether they call themselves a religion or not. Look at how fanatical 20th century Communists often were, or even North Korea nowadays: in the right conditions, an atheistic, state-based "religion" can take hold to great effect.

It's certainly pleasant to watch the irrational, anti-life ideology of Christianity die, but be mindful of what fills its void, and what always will fill its void.

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#486835 - 02/23/13 07:05 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: Labyrinthine]
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Now, in Western countries, where Christianity was once dominant: something will replace it, and already is.


I opt for the Universal Religion of Happiness. We now have plenty of mawkish humanist rituals, soon the time will come for equally "romantic" temples/churches. Seriously, why rent some space, if you can build a church, where the nostalgic folks can sing, dance, kiss, burn incense and worship the brave new world?

It could be fun, actually, but there is just one thing...If the new religion becomes fervently supported and promoted by the state, the sad malcontents might have a problem.

I exaggerate a bit but every utopia becomes a tyranny when somebody tries to put his wishful thinking into action. And the egalitarian, free, tolerant and happy society free of all prejudice is nothing more than wishful thinking. We heard that bullshit before.

It is good that you mentioned communism, because it shows that Atheism combined with irrational utopian ideology is as deadly as every fanatical religion. The socialist ideals were beautiful in theory, but they gave birth to the most oppressive tyranny.

The majority will always try to oppress and subdue the minority in a more or less brutal manner. It has always been like this and it is not going to change. Tolerance is a myth.
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#486863 - 02/24/13 05:58 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: anna]
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Labyrinthine, an interesting post and has given me some food for thought. On the whole I agree with what you are saying. Though I would have disagree with your statement, that Satanists are "Tunnel Visioned" in their hatred towards Christianity.

I think like myself most people on these forums draw opinions on religion from their own personal experiences prior to discovering themselves as a Satanist. The majority of people on this site, unless I am mistaken come from a Christiann background. In my country it permeates everything and you are moulded to be a certain "type" of Christian and nothing else exists. I know that's the perspective I come from. I can't even begin to describe the experience of being a Muslim for instance as I've never really lived or experienced the religion. I can empathise with some of the other Eastern religions for example Zen Bhuddism which I came close to at one stage of my life through the study of martial arts.

In the end it was Dr LaVey's description of each of these "Theist" religions which confirmed in my mind that I myself was a Satanist.

Maybe if we had input on these forums from individuals who had previously been part of non Christian religions it would help us to form more informed opinions. I for one as a Satanist would welcome such thoughts.
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#486893 - 02/25/13 02:57 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: NornIrnbloke]
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Originally Posted By: NornIrnbloke

Maybe if we had input on these forums from individuals who had previously been part of non Christian religions it would help us to form more informed opinions.


I don't think you have to have been part of Islam to see that today Islam is a far bigger problem than Christianity. Unlike Christianity, Islam is a growing religion (the fastest growing religion of all) and unfortunately - due to mass immigration - muslims can be found everywhere in Europe now (I'm not sure how it is in the US or elsewhere). You only have to visit a random European city to see the effects of that as they all have large mosques and most big cities even more than one.
Another big difference is that the majority of today's Christians (again I'm talking about Europe as I'm not sure how it is in the US) could be called Cultural Christians, wich means that they still have Christian traditions (Christmas, Easter, etc..) but other than that they can hardly be called religious. Islam is far from that point, it doesn't even recognize a separation between church and state. It places the Islamic law (the Sharia) above the law of the country. I think it's safe to say that today's Islam is far more problematic than today's Christianity.

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#487014 - 02/28/13 11:07 AM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: VanTheMan]
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The Catholic and Christian faith should be extinct by now.
The bible derived from folklore. Only certain amount of people back then who came from a family of wealth were able to read and write. Everyone else learned from story telling. Oral history of a man (gods son) who could turn water into wine, helped the poor, followers were criminals and so on; so forth... Like Robin Hood
And the EXACT same legends have been passed down to countless religions merely changing the names of the characters.

This is not spam. It is a YouTube video that goes more into depth.

Religion Comes From Ancient Astrology and Sun Worship 1 of 3
http://youtu.be/sD9f0XU_S78

Religion Comes From Ancient Astrology and Sun Worship 2 of 3
http://youtu.be/frwlyx2u8JE

Religion Comes From Ancient Astrology and Sun Worship 3 of 3
http://youtu.be/NUONIlb9hb8

How religion still exist baffles me!


Edited by aml621 (02/28/13 12:48 PM)

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#488100 - 03/28/13 08:11 AM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: aml621]
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Registered: 03/08/13
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Ragnar Redbeard wrote that gods and governments are siamese twins and will always be bound together.

The governments of every nation and every age have always used religion as a kind of psyops to control their citizens.

Stop trying to defeat Christianity. If it gets destroyed, another religion that is far more cynical and abusive towards human nature will take its' place. Human nature, the principals of population and law and demand, demand it. Would you really rather that Scientology take Christianity's place? Think about it.

Think of it this way: artists use lies to tell the truth. God is a metaphor for the unknowable, out-of-sight Power Elite. If citizens write off tangible mechanisms for societal control as some kind of intangible "God" then they are less likely to pick up torches and pitch forks.

I wasted twenty six years of my life beating my fists against the unbreakable wall that is Christianity. Do not make the same mistake my friends. Organized religion only gets galvanized and stronger when outsiders send armies against their walls. The best way to fight Christianity is to ignore it completely.


Edited by Van Weyden (03/28/13 08:22 AM)

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#488101 - 03/28/13 08:31 AM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: Van Weyden]
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Also; as far as establishing some kind of universal organized church and and state, I will give you another theory of mine.

Let us use the Olympics as a metaphor for the technological advancement of the human race. If there weren't many nations to compete against to get the Gold Medal, then the gold medal would be an empty victory. If the gold medal was an empty victory, would athletes push themselves to train as hard as they do for victory?

The people who organize the Olympics know what they're doing, take it from me. Instead of your "woe is me and to the world" malaise (Like Redbeard said, it sounds like the sound a dog makes when it's struck by a brick) instead work on obtaining real life achievements. Work on creating something wonderful, build a robot, go to a concert, lift weights, make a great dish and share it at a dinner party with your friends. That earns so much more respect than shouting into the vacuum of space.


Edited by Van Weyden (03/28/13 11:38 AM)

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#488488 - 04/10/13 02:18 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: Meneyazwun]
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Registered: 03/15/13
Posts: 86
Loc: Australia
I used to spend a LOT of time and effort "fighting" with Christianity and arguing with them to try and make them see their own stupidity.

I still enjoy a good argument with a Christian who unsuspectingly comes knocking on MY door to try and sell ME into their religion.

However ... it got to a point that I would get angry during daily life KNOWING there were actually people walking around out there that are Christians. Their stupidity was annoying me!

In only the past week, I am trying a new tact ... to just allow. To recognise that THEY are the weak. THEY are the sheep. WE are the masters that look down on them as the feeble animals they truly are.

Their "faith" and beliefs might seem absolutely ridiculous to us as logical thinking Satanists, however ... while they are singing "Hallelujah" and attending Jesus camps they are staying out of our hair.

But ... come knocking on my door and I'll take so many evil and ridiculous quotes from their OWN stupid bible and give back to them they leave wondering what the hell just happened!

(I've studies the bible EXTENSIVELY for one purpose only ... to use their own book AGAINST them. Has anyone else done this? I find it very annoying that I (as a Satanist) know more about their own holy book than they do!)
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#488489 - 04/10/13 03:46 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: Van Weyden]
NornIrnbloke Offline



Registered: 01/07/13
Posts: 46
Loc: United Kingdom
Originally Posted By: Van Weyden
Ragnar Redbeard wrote that gods and governments are siamese twins and will always be bound together.

The governments of every nation and every age have always used religion as a kind of psyops to control their citizens.

Stop trying to defeat Christianity. If it gets destroyed, another religion that is far more cynical and abusive towards human nature will take its' place. Human nature, the principals of population and law and demand, demand it. Would you really rather that Scientology take Christianity's place? Think about it.

Think of it this way: artists use lies to tell the truth. God is a metaphor for the unknowable, out-of-sight Power Elite. If citizens write off tangible mechanisms for societal control as some kind of intangible "God" then they are less likely to pick up torches and pitch forks.

I wasted twenty six years of my life beating my fists against the unbreakable wall that is Christianity. Do not make the same mistake my friends. Organized religion only gets galvanized and stronger when outsiders send armies against their walls. The best way to fight Christianity is to ignore it completely.


A good point, I reached the stage in my life a number of years ago that I couldn't care less what theists get up as long as they leave me alone. In that sense they have no power over me and have had absoloutely no controlling factor in my life since I left school.

However like Niknat I spent a lot of my late teens and early twenties "fighting the system" to come to the realisation that I really couldn't care less if they came to my way of thinking or not. In fact the last thing I would want are those kinds of people converting and then come bleating and baying after me to answer their questions and live their lives for them.

Like the Universe itself I am now indifferent to the herd and a happier man for it.

Hail Satan!
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#488493 - 04/10/13 07:13 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: NornIrnbloke]
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Registered: 03/15/13
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Loc: Australia
I discovered an interesting view of the world when I was in my early 20's. The girl I started dating at the time, inevitably started asking questions about what I believed etc. When I told her that I'm not really sure what I am (I had not yet discovered Satanism), but I just know I am definitely not a Christian, her response was quite shocking to me.

"What do you mean? Every white person is a Christian!"

This remark by her shocked me! I was completely unaware that there were actually people in the world that had that level of ignorance and arrogance. The statement could also be seen as incredibly racist, however in her defense it was not intended to have any racial slur. This was obviously due to her brain-washing over the years of her childhood, due to the fact that she attended Catholic schools.

I didn't know even how to respond to this for a while, and when I finally did, she was amazed that a "white man" could choose not to believe there was an invisible man in the sky watching everything we do!

This girl was no genius, but not stupid either. It was incredible (and still is to this day) to think how influencing the wrong education can be to a child's developing mind. A child becomes the adult that never questions the instilled beliefs until something challenges that view. This was evident in her situation, having held onto a belief somehow for 20 something years of her life that all white people are Christians!

I guess this post isn't really adding much value to the thread, but thought it was an interesting little somewhat relevant topic.
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#488507 - 04/11/13 11:03 AM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: niknat]
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Registered: 01/07/13
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Loc: United Kingdom
Niknat

I have been an advocate for removing compulsory Religious Education from the school system for years now. Your story highlights exactly the reason why I take this stance.

From birth you may as well say the state has encouraged the brainwashing of people through religion. Isn't it funny how heads of the Church are treated with the same esteem as our elected representatives?

Catholic Schools, Methodist Colleges and now in Britain at least we see the emergence of Muslim institutes. It all adds to the same result a brainwashed herd!

The last girl I was in a relationship was a Theology graduate, worked in charity and proudly sported the "Good Guy Badge". However displayed all the actions and characteristics of a Psychic Vampire.

I thank Satanism for providing me with the tools to understand and apply appropriate labels to these people and situations now. And am thankful to stand apart from it all.
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#488609 - 04/17/13 11:54 PM Re: Origin and Destruction of Christianity [Re: Meneyazwun]
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You have hit on one of the important things about most popular religions and that is they (unlike Satanism, or any hermetic religion) do not require study and learning but are just taken on faith.

There are a few people here that I have learned more about Christianity from than anywhere else. Also knowing the bible helps with dealing with Christians, as few do actually understand it enough to use it. I have found it quite useful when dealing with the "Religious types" that stop me, or ring the doorbell. Asking them questions that they should know the answers to is the quickest way to get them to go away without starting an argument or being rude.

There are paths that we all follow, and as part of stratification we choose to follow a different path than theirs. I work with Christians, and it is great to understand their religion enough to refer them to the bible, and where to look in their bible.

It would be wrong of me to think of leading them down a path other than what works for them, as I'm not looking for converts to my faith. It is great as I can help them, they see that I'm a good person, and they would never guess that I would be here or anywhere else other than hanging out with a Christian minister (who in their own right are good people to learn from). After all this is about knowing yourself and your enemy. Or the old saying goes keep good friends and hold your enemies closer.

I used to be against Christianity, but I have learned it is far easier to understand it, and the bible and use it just as any king or church leader would to get where I want to go. That does not mean needing to follow the faith, but fully understand it. After all there is an old joke called the "Aristocrats". It has been told by many and is based on fact. Aristocrats obviously did not follow the faith, but did make their exploits known (this is a mistake). There is no better way to work with people and get them to do as you ask than to appear as one of them. You can't do this if you are fighting against their faith.

I have found that there are things that are important that can be used quite well such as "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself" Also Judgement day is not when you die, but everyday.
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